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Man Utd right now are in the situation that Liverpool were in during the 90’s - 00’s -

They have some quality players within the squad , will win a good number of games , get the odd trophy but overall lack an identity and a way to play

Someone needs to come in with a proven track record and stamp their signature on the team , bring in the players they want and ship out who they don’t want

If they had Tuchel or Klopp then they would be up there where Chelsea and Liverpool are ( maybe higher with the higher level of money they spent )

If they had got Conte then he would be stamping his authority on the team

There would be on field strops and teddy’s thrown - ( just look at Ronaldo as Wolves were scoring )

And a lot of that is driven from above - the DoF - Chelsea , City, Liverpool have football people in those roles - Utd have an accountant - that sums up imo Utd’s overall issue

The football side of the club needs to be ripped up and started again - and the first appointment is the DoF

Get him in - then the manager , find an identity , get the right players for the tactics ( not for the commercial value ) and then give it time

Rangnick was superb as DoF for Red Bull - they need to find the manager

If they don’t sort it out then they will end up being exactly how we were for 20 plus years - it’s already 9 or 10 years since their last title and 14 since CL
 
Junior said:
I'd agree mate....on paper we have. What then are the issues? IMO Ronaldo, as good has he is has upset the balance of the side. Pogba hasn't had his 10 games this season where he's that Rolls Royce of a player he can be (it's usually about the Jan transfer window that it kicks in).

Maybe get rid of both of them, play a younger more passionate 4-3-3 team.

Greenwood/Cavani CF, Sancho right, Rashford Left, Bruno, Lingaard, Mctominay, Shaw, Dalot, Varane, Bailly, DDG. IMO this is a team that plays for the badge not insta pictures.

To play RR style from I've seen you need grafters and players willing to put in the hard yards.
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It's easy enough to point the finger at Ronaldo but the players themselves individually and as a collective have been poor.

From my memory i cant remember a player who has consistently stood out except De Gea to date.

Lingaard is a myth imo. He had a great spell at West Ham but people seem to forget his average performances the previous 7yrs at Yernited.

There's no way any manager could drop Ronaldo, look at what happened when Ole rested him against Everton.

He's box office and every moan, groan, hands on his hips, showing of hands etc is caught and beamed around the world.
 
Junior said:
I think if you put any of the man u players people are laughing at right now (Maguire, Lindleof, Fred, Lingaard, Rashford, McTominay, AWB etc) in another prem team like West Ham they would stand out.
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If they offer us all of them for rice I'd consider it ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Man Utd right now are in the situation that Liverpool were in during the 90’s - 00’s -

They have some quality players within the squad , will win a good number of games , get the odd trophy but overall lack an identity and a way to play

Someone needs to come in with a proven track record and stamp their signature on the team , bring in the players they want and ship out who they don’t want

If they had Tuchel or Klopp then they would be up there where Chelsea and Liverpool are ( maybe higher with the higher level of money they spent )

If they had got Conte then he would be stamping his authority on the team

There would be on field strops and teddy’s thrown - ( just look at Ronaldo as Wolves were scoring )

And a lot of that is driven from above - the DoF - Chelsea , City, Liverpool have football people in those roles - Utd have an accountant - that sums up imo Utd’s overall issue

The football side of the club needs to be ripped up and started again - and the first appointment is the DoF

Get him in - then the manager , find an identity , get the right players for the tactics ( not for the commercial value ) and then give it time

Rangnick was superb as DoF for Red Bull - they need to find the manager

If they don’t sort it out then they will end up being exactly how we were for 20 plus years - it’s already 9 or 10 years since their last title and 14 since CL
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You seem to have a particular hatred towards Ronaldo. It is not exactly uncommon for any player to show their frustrations when things are not going well, especially after just conceding a goal.

We can point at individual players all day long, but it has already been done to death. The only players coming out with any credit so far this season are De Gea, Ronaldo and Cavani. But, forwards without service don't do not really get the chance to shine. The middle of the spine is horrific. McTomminay and Fred may be decent squad players (maybe like a Nicky Butt), but they are not ones to dictate the tempo of a game in or out of possession. They are completely disconnected to the rest of the team, especially the guys on the wings who are basically non existent out of possession, and predictable in possession.

Rangnick needs to sort that out somehow. What annoys me is:

In possession: Players cannot make the shortest of short passes, especially when they panic when opposition close them down. That is poor. However, it is not just the players ability to make a pass, it is the fact their team mates are often hiding behind an opponent. There are no, or few options for a player to make a pass. Sometimes, all it would take is a team mate to take a few steps either side, and they'd be free. It looks like this must be down to severe lack of confidence, and players relying on their team mates to score the goals.

Out of possession: We are far too nice. When opponents have the ball, all too often United players just jockey them, or shuffle about into a reasonable position. They rarely, almost never, put the opponents under pressure. Nearly every game I watch, the opponents seem to have so much time in possession and it looks so comfortable for them.

In a way, I'd like Rangnick and the players to almost have only the very basic set of tactics to follow. Instead, I'd like them to try and go out and play with aggression. Not dangerous leg breaking tackles, but simply focusing on going out there and, if nothing else, focus on winning every physical battle. Playing with passion. Showing the opponents they are up for the battle. OK, maybe they'll still have poor results. But, if they get used to an aggressive style of football, and playing with passion, they can then start to tweak tactics to then try and bring out their qualities as players. Otherwise, trying to focus on the technical aspects of their game now seems pointless, because the opponents will nearly always be able to unsettle them when push comes to shove.
 
Liverpools training cancelled today - reports of more Covid cases including the keepers so suspect the game with Arsenal is in doubt
 
Swango1980 said:
You seem to have a particular hatred towards Ronaldo. It is not exactly uncommon for any player to show their frustrations when things are not going well, especially after just conceding a goal.

We can point at individual players all day long, but it has already been done to death. The only players coming out with any credit so far this season are De Gea, Ronaldo and Cavani. But, forwards without service don't do not really get the chance to shine. The middle of the spine is horrific. McTomminay and Fred may be decent squad players (maybe like a Nicky Butt), but they are not ones to dictate the tempo of a game in or out of possession. They are completely disconnected to the rest of the team, especially the guys on the wings who are basically non existent out of possession, and predictable in possession.

Rangnick needs to sort that out somehow. What annoys me is:

In possession: Players cannot make the shortest of short passes, especially when they panic when opposition close them down. That is poor. However, it is not just the players ability to make a pass, it is the fact their team mates are often hiding behind an opponent. There are no, or few options for a player to make a pass. Sometimes, all it would take is a team mate to take a few steps either side, and they'd be free. It looks like this must be down to severe lack of confidence, and players relying on their team mates to score the goals.

Out of possession: We are far too nice. When opponents have the ball, all too often United players just jockey them, or shuffle about into a reasonable position. They rarely, almost never, put the opponents under pressure. Nearly every game I watch, the opponents seem to have so much time in possession and it looks so comfortable for them.

In a way, I'd like Rangnick and the players to almost have only the very basic set of tactics to follow. Instead, I'd like them to try and go out and play with aggression. Not dangerous leg breaking tackles, but simply focusing on going out there and, if nothing else, focus on winning every physical battle. Playing with passion. Showing the opponents they are up for the battle. OK, maybe they'll still have poor results. But, if they get used to an aggressive style of football, and playing with passion, they can then start to tweak tactics to then try and bring out their qualities as players. Otherwise, trying to focus on the technical aspects of their game now seems pointless, because the opponents will nearly always be able to unsettle them when push comes to shove.
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Agreed, I don't think I've seen us give the ball away in a match as much as i have I have in the last 2 games.
 
SaintHacker said:
New owners confirmed for Southampton.:cool: Hopefully these ones are actually willing and able to invest in the club :rolleyes:
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I was shocked at £100 million tho? Seems so low for a club ..

I mean we got investment of £150 for 27% was it?

Newcastle £350 million
 
HomerJSimpson said:
It all seemed a bit sudden. Was there any hint of it happening and why do you think it was such a low price compared to other takeovers for a mid-table side
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Its been going on for a few months according to the chief executive today, all the correct tests etc have been passed with the premier league. No idea about the price, something to do with the debt owed by the previous owner not included in the figure, whereas it is with other takeovers or something. I'm not an accountant so can't expand. What is definite good news is that it is a cash buy out, there is no debt to service for the purchase of the club.
 
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