The Footie Thread

[Canary_Yellow]

That's a bit unfair Stu. We all know how painful it is when a mate comes up and puts his arm round your shoulder. We'd all let out a scream in those circumstances. ?

As a Norwich fan, I didn’t think ronaldo was fouled, but I think he did a nigh on perfect job of making it look like he was. There was no way VAR would intervene once given.

Aarons shouldn’t have given the ref a chance to give the decision as it was inevitable he would.

As you say, we wouldn’t have been given that penalty if it was at the other end.

 

[Tashyboy]

Sorry Tashy, they weren't. Thats what sky, the media and ex players where screaming for. It works in Rugby, Tennis and cricket was the line used to sell it.

If i remember correctly refs didnt want technology. Its blatantly obvious referees and liners are now micro managed and theyre led by one the worst refs in english football history. This not raising the flag for offside when they're blatantly off is a joke.

I agree VAR has ruined the game for the Match going fan.

Sorry Tashy what blatant pen in the 1st half are you talking about?

the one where the ball was crossed defender leans into ball trying to get his arm out of the way and failed.It hit him plumb on the arm. It was on the stroke of half time. It never went to VAR as the ref blew for half time. They mentioned it on MOTD.

 

[Tashyboy]

It’s both Stu, the tech isn’t good enough for the offside decision, as has been proved by the fps issue and as you say the operators either compounding or completely missing mistakes.

Also is the lack of understanding by fans, @Tashyboy VAR’s remit is quite clear were it can and cannot get involved, therefore it was only ever going to help with the cheating or diving in certain situations were it was allowed.

It’s here to stay and maybe the current trial in to the semi-autonomous technology will help with the offside.

Also maybe the players/managers and pundits finally stop treating cheating as part of the game and do their bit to improve snd help the Officials.

What I cannot get my head around re VAR. We have had it at Major international comps and there hardly seems to be any controversy re VAR. Why is that ?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The tech is good enough, its how its used and interpreted.

Problem with offside is, the rule has been changed to suit VAR, armpits and shirt sleeves etc.

It often gets spoken about the miniscule offside's like Richarlisons v Arsenal and how the goals like that should stand.

Yet 2 or 3 seasons ago, those types of goals were being highlighted as offside, it could relegate a team or stop a team from winning a trophy etc were the cries.


No no no no and definitely no.

We are so fixated on trying to get 100% accurate decisions.

When i say we i mean the media.

Remember when VAR was brought in, it was going to stop the controversy??

Where are we now?

The tech isn’t good enough and that’s why your paragraph on the offside prove it, the tech can’t keep up with the speed of the game, if it was good enough there’d of been no debate over it.

You may also be contradicting yourself over us being fixated on trying to get 100% accurate decisions, it’s because of the implications of getting it wrong, ie relegation, promotion, success or failure.

I believe the biggest issue is consistencey, it would be great if the Refs could be shown 2 identical differences and explain why we get different decisions.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What I cannot get my head around re VAR. We have had it at Major international comps and there hardly seems to be any controversy re VAR. Why is that ?

Well it can’t he the Refs if ours are used at the big Comps.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The tech isn’t good enough and that’s why your paragraph on the offside prove it, the tech can’t keep up with the speed of the game, if it was good enough there’d of been no debate over it.

You may also be contradicting yourself over us being fixated on trying to get 100% accurate decisions, it’s because of the implications of getting it wrong, ie relegation, promotion, success or failure.

I believe the biggest issue is consistencey, it would be great if the Refs could be shown 2 identical differences and explain why we get different decisions.

Problem with offside and the lines is theres always going to be really tight close ones.

I don't agree. Success and failure isnt down to referees decisions. There's 38 games a season to make sure you're winners or relegated.

Cast your mind back to when Phelan kicked one from behind the line for your lot v bolton and it was 3ft behind the line. Bolton went down that season, not because of that one decision, because they never did enough in the ogher 37 games.

The league winners earn the trophy over 38 games, likewise those who are relegated don't do enough. Its that simple.

Consistency is down to the refs themselves. I agree with you on that though.

We wont see Moss give a yellow everytime someone stops a quick frekick again. Attwell never yesterday and i'll gaurantee the other refs never in the other PL games too.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Well it can’t he the Refs if ours are used at the big Comps.

There wasnt one English ref at the last world cup iirc.

 

[fundy]

What I cannot get my head around re VAR. We have had it at Major international comps and there hardly seems to be any controversy re VAR. Why is that ?

problems with it in plenty of comps other than the prem league, watched one in Europe the other day where they took 6 mins to make a decision, got it wrong then blew the FT whistle straight after it! also they dont show the offsides with lines to explain the decisions as do here. dont be fooled its only our refs that cant use it, theres others who are as bad and/or worse, part of which for me comes down to how they are being instructed to use it (either by their own body or the football authorities)

 

[Deleted member 1740]

the one where the ball was crossed defender leans into ball trying to get his arm out of the way and failed.It hit him plumb on the arm. It was on the stroke of half time. It never went to VAR as the ref blew for half time. They mentioned it on MOTD.

If its the Kilman one where he had his arms strapped to the side of his body, im not having that as a pen neither for nor against. We need to get away from cheap pens that have been wrongly given for the last 15+yrs or more.

If VAR thought it was wrong they couldve restarted play and gave a pen like they did earlier in the season for Yernited.

 

[clubchamp98]

VAR cannot review Yellow Cards.

So in the Jimenez incident it’s irrelevant, not sure why you think VAR are just backing their mates in this.

I never said VAR was involved with the Himenez booking.
Read the post properly , it’s another paragraph.
I was also commentating how crap VAR was all day.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Sorry Tashy, they weren't. Thats what sky, the media and ex players where screaming for. It works in Rugby, Tennis and cricket was the line used to sell it.

If i remember correctly refs didnt want technology. Its blatantly obvious referees and liners are now micro managed and theyre led by one the worst refs in english football history. This not raising the flag for offside when they're blatantly off is a joke.

I agree VAR has ruined the game for the Match going fan.

Sorry Tashy what blatant pen in the 1st half are you talking about?

Bollocks, lots of match going fans wanted it as well.

That said, we didnt know the pigs ear (or ribcage), that they would make of it.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Problem with offside and the lines is theres always going to be really tight close ones.

I don't agree. Success and failure isnt down to referees decisions. There's 38 games a season to make sure you're winners or relegated.

Cast your mind back to when Phelan kicked one from behind the line for your lot v bolton and it was 3ft behind the line. Bolton went down that season, not because of that one decision, because they never did enough in the ogher 37 games.

The league winners earn the trophy over 38 games, likewise those who are relegated don't do enough. Its that simple.

Consistency is down to the refs themselves. I agree with you on that though.

We wont see Moss give a yellow everytime someone stops a quick frekick again. Attwell never yesterday and i'll gaurantee the other refs never in the other PL games too.

What about when Kompany should have been sent off for city against us the other year and they went on to win 2-1?

A proper 6 pointer and we lost the league by one point.

You're right in the main, but these things can happen.

 

[Liverbirdie]

It’s both Stu, the tech isn’t good enough for the offside decision, as has been proved by the fps issue and as you say the operators either compounding or completely missing mistakes.

Also is the lack of understanding by fans, @Tashyboy VAR’s remit is quite clear were it can and cannot get involved, therefore it was only ever going to help with the cheating or diving in certain situations were it was allowed.

It’s here to stay and maybe the current trial in to the semi-autonomous technology will help with the offside.

Also maybe the players/managers and pundits finally stop treating cheating as part of the game and do their bit to improve snd help the Officials.

I think he has got it woefully wrong.

It may not reward the cheating and diving as they can see if someone dived for a pen and not give one or overturn one, but it doesnt help them then give a yellow for the blatant dive, as they can't use it for yellows.

 

[Tashyboy]

If its the Kilman one where he had his arms strapped to the side of his body, im not having that as a pen neither for nor against. We need to get away from cheap pens that have been wrongly given for the last 15+yrs or more.

If VAR thought it was wrong they couldve restarted play and gave a pen like they did earlier in the season for Yernited.

So he tries to pull his arm out of the way and he doesn’t, it hits his arm and it’s not a penalty. We listen to the pros who say the penalty is not a penalty, then ignore the pros who say it is a penalty.

 

[Jensen]

Maddison you cheat, that’s never a penalty

 

[Tashyboy]

Maddison you cheat, that’s never a penalty

VAR will sort it.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Bollocks, lots of match going fans wanted it as well.

That said, we didnt know the pigs ear (or ribcage), that they would make of it.

This. All day long & twice on Sundays. With bells & tinsel on it.

 

[Billysboots]

Bollocks, lots of match going fans wanted it as well.

That said, we didnt know the pigs ear (or ribcage), that they would make of it.

And a pigs ear it has been. It’s particularly infuriating at grounds like Old Trafford, where the absence of a big screen anywhere in the ground means fans can be left for several minutes not having a clue what is being reviewed. They are left guessing by the whole process until they get home and see it on TV.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

And a pigs ear it has been. It’s particularly infuriating at grounds like Old Trafford, where the absence of a big screen anywhere in the ground means fans can be left for several minutes not having a clue what is being reviewed. They are left guessing by the whole process until they get home and see it on TV.

If it's at Old Trafford then everyone in the ground knows which way the decision will go. That's why they don't bother with a screen ?

 

[Billysboots]

If it's at Old Trafford then everyone in the ground knows which way the decision will go. That's why they don't bother with a screen ?

Good point. ?