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Swango1980 said:
Seriously!? What pressure? They had zero competition for 10 years, there was no pressure on them at all. The Scottish league was an embarrassment. It would be like Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester (and maybe even West Ham and Everton) all getting booted out of the Premier League, and then Man Utd fans boasting about winning the title every year.

Also, Rangers finished with 78 points in the 2018-19 season, and with 67 points in the 2019-20 season. So, theoretically you could say they had 11 points less. However, are you forgetting about Covid, and the fact the season was ended early. Rangers played 9 games less in Gerrard's second season. If they had finished the season, and scored at the same rate, they'd have ended up with 10 points more in his second season.

I'm not saying he won't go, he may well do. Bookmakers think so. I just think it is a big risk. I don't follow Scottish football and cannot speak on behalf of Rangers fans. But, I'd imagine Gerrard may be becoming a cult hero up there with their fans. I suspect he'd like that, and it always helps the CV. Winning things and being adored by the fans. It could that he could build on that legacy, and the only other team he'd go to would be Liverpool for understandable reasons (or even England). In the wider scheme of things, I doubt many care he is not winning domestic cups in Scotland, albeit it would be a nice addition. It is the fact that he won the Premiership, the key title. They are also aiming to do the same again for the second consecutive year. Does he just walk out on Rangers now, to take on a rubbish Premiership team that he has no real ties to? Maybe.
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Rangers may have ended up with more points if the season hadn't finished, however when the season was finished early, they were 13 points behind Celtic. So if Celtic had also scored at the same rate, the difference would have been 17 or 18, compared to 9 points the previous season. So it is fair to say they performed worse relative to Celtic than the previous season.

Interesting that you don't think playing in a cup final is a pressure situation, or than being expected to win most weeks doesn't bring pressure. There are many decent players who have gone to Celtic or Rangers, and failed there, because they couldn't handle that pressure.

Would he take on a "rubbish Premiership team he has no ties to"? If the money is right, and it helps him ultimately get the Liverpool job, of course he would. He did after all take on a rubbish SPL club in a league which is "an embarrassment" :LOL:
 
AliMc said:
Seriously you think that, a club that he has commented have given him no money to spend to compete in Europe, just announced £23.5 million losses in the last year, Gerrard cares about Gerrard, if he ultimately wants to be considered for the Liverpool job he's not going there directly from a club in Scotland, Villa would appear to be a good stepping stone, personally I think Villa would have been better off keeping Smith, just my opinion ?
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I do
After last seasons Title win he’s a hero to the Rangers fans.
He will leave obviously but I just don’t think it will be to the end of the season.
I could be proved wrong because loyalty in football is rare these days.
 
It is interesting. Guess you never know when the Liverpool job may turn up (not saying Klopp would leave, just that life has a way of throwing up surprises). Seems to be the argument for anyone taking over a big Premiership club is whether the manager has Premiership or top european league experience. So, is it best to get that box ticked now with the gamble that a poor showing at a new club could dent your CV going forward or do you keep developing in the safer environment that you are now in.

Personally, I would see Villa as a decent option. Decent spending budget, unlikely to be looking at relegation, knocking on the door of the top 6 seen as a decent performance. You would have to think of which other club would offer that (that would also accept his Liverpool background) and you are probably looking at maybe 3 or 4 clubs. Of those, the only other possibility may be Leicester if Rodgers ended up with the job at Man U.
 
rudebhoy said:
Rangers may have ended up with more points if the season hadn't finished, however when the season was finished early, they were 13 points behind Celtic. So if Celtic had also scored at the same rate, the difference would have been 17 or 18, compared to 9 points the previous season. So it is fair to say they performed worse relative to Celtic than the previous season.

Interesting that you don't think playing in a cup final is a pressure situation, or than being expected to win most weeks doesn't bring pressure. There are many decent players who have gone to Celtic or Rangers, and failed there, because they couldn't handle that pressure.

Would he take on a "rubbish Premiership team he has no ties to"? If the money is right, and it helps him ultimately get the Liverpool job, of course he would. He did after all take on a rubbish SPL club in a league which is "an embarrassment" :LOL:
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First sentence response: Your initial point by simply saying Rangers had 11 points less than the previous season was SERIOUSLY flawed. I was simply pointing that out. You are now trying to dig yourself out of a hole. Also, the difference would not have been 17 or 18, it would have been 13. Rangers had a game in hand at the end of the season. And, lastly, Celtic obviously played extremely well that season, so cannot take that away from them. All the better that Rangers were able to beat them them following season, and there would have been pressure on Celtic when suddenly they are in a battle they've not experienced in a decade.

Second sentence response: Literally at no point did I say playing a cup final is not a pressure situation. I was simply pointing out that league titles are the key trophies to win in most cases and get the greatest attention.

Third sentence: He took on a RELATIVELY big club (in the league they play in) in a rubbish league, it was a pretty good choice. Firstly, he had nothing on his managerial CV, so it was unlikely he was going to get a world great team. Yes, the Scottish Premiership is a relatively poor league, but it is close enough to home for his achievements to get noticed here in England, it is still in the UK after all. Had he gone to the Austrian league, for example, any accomplishments would be largely diluted because, well it is the Austrian league. I agree, he may simply chase the money, and if Villa offer him more then he may let money do the talking. My argument all along is that it may not help him get the Liverpool job. He will hope and pray he can get the players to perform and get strong results. But, football is about risks, so maybe it is one he is prepared to take.
 
GB72 said:
It is interesting. Guess you never know when the Liverpool job may turn up (not saying Klopp would leave, just that life has a way of throwing up surprises). Seems to be the argument for anyone taking over a big Premiership club is whether the manager has Premiership or top european league experience. So, is it best to get that box ticked now with the gamble that a poor showing at a new club could dent your CV going forward or do you keep developing in the safer environment that you are now in.

Personally, I would see Villa as a decent option. Decent spending budget, unlikely to be looking at relegation, knocking on the door of the top 6 seen as a decent performance. You would have to think of which other club would offer that (that would also accept his Liverpool background) and you are probably looking at maybe 3 or 4 clubs. Of those, the only other possibility may be Leicester if Rodgers ended up with the job at Man U.
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Well if Klopp is true to his word he leaves in summer of 2024 (assuming they dont sack him before then)
 
rudebhoy said:
wasn’t it you who said Celtic had no pressure at all for 10 years? ?

anyway I’m out now. Life’s too short.
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In winning the title. They had no competition. And, even in winning cups, they had no real competition. For them, the relative pressure would have been more in cups, simply because even rubbish teams can beat great teams on their day in the sun. However, I DID not say that there is no pressure in winning a cup, every cup in the world, every team in the world.

You have a remarkable way of trying to read between the lines and coming up with completely the wrong context of what was being said.
 
fundy said:
Well if Klopp is true to his word he leaves in summer of 2024 (assuming they dont sack him before then)
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With that in mind, a move now seems sensible to get a couple of years of that top european league experience. Not sure who else would be on the radar over the next 12 months, especially if clubs are aware that any appointment may only last for a limited period. Only other option I can see is if Rodgers does go to United and there is a vacancy at Leicester. That would be interesting, not sure of any other club would have had successive managers from Rangers and Celtic.
 
GB72 said:
With that in mind, a move now seems sensible to get a couple of years of that top european league experience. Not sure who else would be on the radar over the next 12 months, especially if clubs are aware that any appointment may only last for a limited period. Only other option I can see is if Rodgers does go to United and there is a vacancy at Leicester. That would be interesting, not sure of any other club would have had successive managers from Rangers and Celtic.
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You would think with that in mind Liverpool would already be planning, potentially with an internal candidate? If clubs learnt anything from the mess at United post Ferguson and Arsenal post Wenger it should be manager progression planning is critical! I know theres been rumours of Klopp having a year off then returning with an in house caretaker in the interim, not sure how much truth there is in that (not to mention 2024 is a long way off in football terms)
 
This is one for those of a certain vintage, most on here to be fair :D, but it has just been announced that Gerald Sinstadt has died.

Sinstadt was an excellent football commentator, a voice I grew up with. He was a good age, 91, so we should remember with fondness rather than sadness. Another voice of an era goes though..........
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...-stake-in-west-ham?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

27% the club for £150 million , the rumour is in 2023 (when the Dave's don't have to pay tax) the take over will fully be complete

That's our transfer kitty sorted out for now

Good old soucek .. he got us in coufal at right back ... He now helped get this investment lol and rumours that sparta Prague will become a club we loan players too ... They have a young striker on the books we want and now our owners are one
 
4LEX said:
You're such a good team and have started the season on fire, but yesterday was a huge match for the title. A win and you'd be flying. A predictable defeat and it opens up the same questions. The same thing that happened at West Ham will happen half a dozen more times this season but I don't think Liverpool have the quality to answer the questions. Mane has always been high energy, low on quality, he just benefits from the system and chaos it causes. If Salah doesn't turn up in a key moment, you're struggling.

City are way off getting 90 points without a sriker and Chelsea have injury issues so it really should be yours to lose.
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Sounds like West Ham are favourites then.
We all have weak spots and think the winners will be the ones who buy clever in the next transfer window.
 
Shame it would ruin their league system but I'd of loved to have seen rangers and celtic installed into the English leagues around league 2 and earn their way up

They always maintain with the money English clubs get they would be huge..think they would easily make championship then take a few years to come up

Swansea and Cardiff were great change to see in prem.. and Swansea won the league cup

Imagine away days in Scotland .. would be interesting
 
pauljames87 said:
Shame it would ruin their league system but I'd of loved to have seen rangers and celtic installed into the English leagues around league 2 and earn their way up

They always maintain with the money English clubs get they would be huge..think they would easily make championship then take a few years to come up

Swansea and Cardiff were great change to see in prem.. and Swansea won the league cup

Imagine away days in Scotland .. would be interesting
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A lot of fans of other Scottish clubs believe that would be a good thing.

I'd love to see it happen, but doubt that it will, at least not in my lifetime.
 
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