The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

Definitely a penalty as he's moved his arm towards the ball. Red card feels well harsh though since it hit his leg first. Penalty & yellow would have been appropriate I think. But the ref has gone letter of the law, keeping the ball out the net with your arm is a red.

 

[BrianM]

What about sending off ?

It’s obviously a decision based on the handball, he doesn’t even know it’s hit his hand, if it’s deliberate it’s a penalty and sending off.

 

[Piece]

Definitely a penalty as he's moved his arm towards the ball. Red card feels well harsh though since it hit his leg first. Penalty & yellow would have been appropriate I think. But the ref has gone letter of the law, keeping the ball out the net with your arm is a red.

Yup.

 

[hairball_89]

Well well well...

Reds started well, Chelsea had by far the better of the chances. Def a pen and always a red after the pen decision. All to play for 2nd half and we absolutely have to up the tempo. They're well drilled and if any team in the league can play as well down to 10, then it's Tuchel's Chelsea. Lucky to go in even, for me.

edit to add: Far be it from me to disagree with Jimmy Floyd hasselbaink on goalscoring, but Havertz definitely meant that, for me. And it's a truly brilliant header and goal. He's a wonderful player, love watching him.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Clear penalty and clear sending off. Ref made the correct decision.

 

[davemc1]

Sent off for an accidental handball feels harsh and a double punishment.

This aged well ?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Definitely a penalty as he's moved his arm towards the ball. Red card feels well harsh though since it hit his leg first. Penalty & yellow would have been appropriate I think. But the ref has gone letter of the law, keeping the ball out the net with your arm is a red.

Does the ref have any discretion there to not give a red card? Or is it a case that once he's given the penalty it has to be a red as well?

 

[Kellfire]

This aged well ?

Eh?

 

[Piece]

Does the ref have any discretion there to not give a red card? Or is it a case that once he's given the penalty it has to be a red as well?

Denying a goal or goal scoring opportunity by handball is a red. Law 12

 

[Orikoru]

Does the ref have any discretion there to not give a red card? Or is it a case that once he's given the penalty it has to be a red as well?

I think as you say, the laws say red so that's what he's done. But the ref can do as he likes really. People often call for "common sense", which when boiled down usually means being lenient on one of the laws and not applying it by the letter.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Denying a goal or goal scoring opportunity by handball is a red. Law 12

Didn't know if the fact it bounced up off his thigh affected anything or whether they were seen as two separate actions, the ball hitting his thigh as the first action and then the arm coming through and hitting the ball as a separate action.

 

[Orikoru]

Didn't know if the fact it bounced up off his thigh affected anything or whether they were seen as two separate actions, the ball hitting his thigh as the first action and then the arm coming through and hitting the ball as a separate action.

If you slow it right down, I think having hit his thigh it was still travelling towards the goal, which is why he instinctively threw his arm forward.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I think as you say, the laws say red so that's what he's done. But the ref can do as he likes really. People often call for "common sense", which when boiled down usually means being lenient on one of the laws and not applying it by the letter.

He can't do as he likes if he wants another game next week or the week after. Refs get assessed to pieces and just ignoring a clear decision would see him in trouble internally. On some decisions there is discretion but not something like this.

 

[Dando]

Sent off for an accidental handball feels harsh and a double punishment.

Accidental? He swatted the ball away

 

[hairball_89]

Well well well...

... we absolutely have to up the tempo. They're well drilled and if any team in the league can play as well down to 10, then it's Tuchel's Chelsea. Lucky to go in even, for me.

Well I called it. We didn't move the ball quick enough and didn't have enough width. Everything was in front of their back 5 and relatively easy for them to deal with.

I'd have taken a draw at kick off, this Chelsea team is fantastic. But can't help but feel we should have done better.

 

[Cherry13]

In other news, some rumours that Steve Bruce didn’t even go in the changing room at half time. Crazy if true. Is he just handing over the reigns to Jones??
This after he barely spoke to the players before the shootout.

 

[pokerjoke]

100% a penalty and a sending off for me.
This game showed a lot for me also.
Lukaku will bully weak defenders but disappeared today especially 2nd half.
Mount is pure quality.
Liverpool won’t be in the top 3
AA is never a right back
Matip is not good enough for Liverpool.
Klopp has no confidence in his subs,he needed to change things and didn’t.
Chelsea will be contenders

 

[hairball_89]

...
Liverpool won’t be in the top 3
AA is never a right back
Matip is not good enough for Liverpool.
Klopp has no confidence in his subs,he needed to change things and didn’t.
...

I'm sorry, what?! All of that is absolute nonsense.

 

[pokerjoke]

I'm sorry, what?! All of that is absolute nonsense.

And your counter argument is?

 

[hairball_89]

And your counter argument is?

Trent is one heck of a right back. Best in his position. Personally, I'd have liked him to play wider today. But he was clearly told to come inside with Salah and Elliott.

Matip is superb. You don't start for Liverpool in CL finals if you're not. You also don't keep Gomez out of the team if you're not. What did he do wrong today?

Subs? Klopp always uses his subs late on. Has done all the time he's been here. I don't really like it - I wanted Thiago on at HT. We also had to make a sub in the first half. That always delays subs in case of further injuries. To say he doesn't like the bench is hilarious.