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The Footie Thread

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You English lot REALLY didn’t take that draw with Scotland well.
Believe me, it's long forgotten. But I'm sure the Scotts will dine out on it for a long time.

The way you celebrated winning 0-0 said all that needs to be said about the ability and ambition of our respective national teams.
 
Believe me, it's long forgotten. But I'm sure the Scotts will dine out on it for a long time.

The way you celebrated winning 0-0 said all that needs to be said about the ability and ambition of our respective national teams.

You know Kellfire is not Scottish yeh??

I think fair play, dine out on it! 0-0 when you consider the gulf in world ranking is a huge result!! More of a shock than us beating an average german team and you would think we had won the world cup!!
 
You English lot REALLY didn’t take that draw with Scotland well.

It’s not the draw which is the issue, it’s the gloating by some of the Scots, just as they have done since they beat England in 67, gloating on it for 54 years. It’s yesterday’s news. The danger is that if England win the tournament, or however far they go, there’ll be some reedy snivelling voices saying, “we’re as good as you.” They we’re on the night but they’re not Or they’d be in the Q/F’s.
 
Think they need to change that to Pickford ?

The fact that so many are of the opinion that Pickford has been, to date, England’s man of the tournament, says much about the team’s performances. It was the same with de Gea at United for too long.

As I have said, I remain unconvinced by England to date at the Euros, and the experts’ comments relating to our goalkeeper would tend to suggest there may be good reason for my observations. If we were playing as well as some seem to think, Pickford would hardly get a mention.
 
The fact that so many are of the opinion that Pickford has been, to date, England’s man of the tournament, says much about the team’s performances. It was the same with de Gea at United for too long.

As I have said, I remain unconvinced by England to date at the Euros, and the experts’ comments relating to our goalkeeper would tend to suggest there may be good reason for my observations. If we were playing as well as some seem to think, Pickford would hardly get a mention.
He's been very good when needed. But how many saves has he had to make? 2 against Germany, and one of those was questionable as to whether or not it was going in.

He has been exceptional at organising the defence and being an option to receive the ball, then distribute it well.
 
The fact that so many are of the opinion that Pickford has been, to date, England’s man of the tournament, says much about the team’s performances. It was the same with de Gea at United for too long.

As I have said, I remain unconvinced by England to date at the Euros, and the experts’ comments relating to our goalkeeper would tend to suggest there may be good reason for my observations. If we were playing as well as some seem to think, Pickford would hardly get a mention.
That’s the thing, everyone is getting carried away, but brutally honest none of the top teams have delivered on their promise. I am thinking Belgium are in trouble due to injury, Spain may be finally warming up ( you could argue they really are playing tournament football!) .. Italy struggled despite very impressive group stage performances.. the Czech vs Danes will be tight, nothing is predictable… and the Ukrainian match for England could be an opportunity to let the kids show what they can do for 60 minutes ( I don’t want the tournament to end without seeing them play that would only devalue England selection.. give them their chance and this game is a good opportunity)
 
He's been very good when needed. But how many saves has he had to make? 2 against Germany, and one of those was questionable as to whether or not it was going in.

He has been exceptional at organising the defence and being an option to receive the ball, then distribute it well.
The distribution stuff, when he has time he is impressive… but … and this is not a criticism of Pickford, this aimed at this line “build from the back”.. it’s too sweeping a statement . They back pass, the opposition press, they go further back.. they get in trouble, they pass to the keeper who hoofs it out of play or has an utter drama ( see Spanish GK) …why not dump it in the far corner and press? It would be a better result than just blindly playing back and not seeking to switch or play forward
 
He's been very good when needed. But how many saves has he had to make? 2 against Germany, and one of those was questionable as to whether or not it was going in.

He has been exceptional at organising the defence and being an option to receive the ball, then distribute it well.
I was going to say the same, it's not like he's made 8 or 9 saves each game, it's been 1 or 2 really good ones. I think it's just the expectation was low for him since he's not an exceptional keeper, but he has far exceeded those expectations so far.

That’s the thing, everyone is getting carried away, but brutally honest none of the top teams have delivered on their promise. I am thinking Belgium are in trouble due to injury, Spain may be finally warming up ( you could argue they really are playing tournament football!) .. Italy struggled despite very impressive group stage performances.. the Czech vs Danes will be tight, nothing is predictable… and the Ukrainian match for England could be an opportunity to let the kids show what they can do for 60 minutes ( I don’t want the tournament to end without seeing them play that would only devalue England selection.. give them their chance and this game is a good opportunity)
Sorry but this kind of talk should be dead in the water since the Iceland incident. I hope we learn from that mistake and take Ukraine seriously. Play the strongest side that Gareth thinks will win the tie without any doubt or fuss.
 
Looks like the WHO and Germany are getting a bit salty about crowds being allowed at the Euros. Germany have a particular dig at the England match but fail to mention that is was a test event with crowds being tested in advance etc
 
I was going to say the same, it's not like he's made 8 or 9 saves each game, it's been 1 or 2 really good ones. I think it's just the expectation was low for him since he's not an exceptional keeper, but he has far exceeded those expectations so far.


Sorry but this kind of talk should be dead in the water since the Iceland incident. I hope we learn from that mistake and take Ukraine seriously. Play the strongest side that Gareth thinks will win the tie without any doubt or fuss.
Different situation completely, look more carefully into it and the difference in number of subs etc…
 
The distribution stuff, when he has time he is impressive… but … and this is not a criticism of Pickford, this aimed at this line “build from the back”.. it’s too sweeping a statement . They back pass, the opposition press, they go further back.. they get in trouble, they pass to the keeper who hoofs it out of play or has an utter drama ( see Spanish GK) …why not dump it in the far corner and press? It would be a better result than just blindly playing back and not seeking to switch or play forward
Why would you want to willingly give the ball back to the opposition? Especially when you don't have the players to press. Even more so when playing a team like Germany that want you to come at them.

Even teams that can press don't just kick and chase. Not having the ball and pressing uses up huge amounts of energy. Keeping the ball uses far less energy. And conserving energy is a massive positive in tournament football.
 
Why would you want to willingly give the ball back to the opposition? Especially when you don't have the players to press. Even more so when playing a team like Germany that want you to come at them.

Even teams that can press don't just kick and chase. Not having the ball and pressing uses up huge amounts of energy. Keeping the ball uses far less energy. And conserving energy is a massive positive in tournament football.
That’s what I am saying about the back pass, it is not always the right thing and the mantra of building from the back needs to be diluted .. I don’t want to see them give away the ball I just see it being inevitable especially if you just “build from the back” without having a strategy or movement that gives you more options..
 
You can’t win being an England fan, the players have no chance!!

We are either getting too carried away or being over cautious or criticising this player or bigging up that player!

Why not just enjoy the ride? If we win we can celebrate and if we lose we can commiserate.

I understand we all have opinions and it’s good to discuss, but it’s almost like some of our own supporters are afraid of getting carried away and want us to fail.
 
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