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pauljames87 said:
Amount of quality throughout our squad will do us favours then?
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Really does depend on whether he uses it , or not potentially the answer is yes. But if you look at the use of subs it might indicate where we are at.
Don’t be surprised to see Mings , James, chilwell on at some point.. I don’t think that would weaken us defensively.
As I have stated in an earlier post I would put some young guys on up front to really work the Ukrainian defence and then introduce the favourites if it was looking a little lacklustre or we were cruising ( although I have only seen an England side cruise twice .. demolitions of Holland and Germany, back in the 90s)
Mount and Henderson to start as well .. it could be a whole different team theoretically
 
RichA said:
Agreed. The relief is huge, but it feels like we snuck through. What's the point of wing backs, if they get the ball up in the corner then hold it there while the defence regroup? So many missed opportunities to sling an early cross in. Even if Kane isn't on the end of each one, there are 2 or 3 attacking midfielders just behind him to do something with a part clearance. It's the source of so many Premier League goals.
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In the first half there was a Couple of occasions when the ball broke five or ten yards outside the Germany box and the nearest England player was 30 yards away near the half way line. It was as if the had been coached to not get hit on the counter.
 
Tashyboy said:
In the first half there was a Couple of occasions when the ball broke five or ten yards outside the Germany box and the nearest England player was 30 yards away near the half way line. It was as if the had been coached to not get hit on the counter.
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Which was absolutely the correct way to play if you saw what Germany did to Portugal.
 
harpo_72 said:
Really does depend on whether he uses it , or not potentially the answer is yes. But if you look at the use of subs it might indicate where we are at.
Don’t be surprised to see Mings , James, chilwell on at some point.. I don’t think that would weaken us defensively.
As I have stated in an earlier post I would put some young guys on up front to really work the Ukrainian defence and then introduce the favourites if it was looking a little lacklustre or we were cruising ( although I have only seen an England side cruise twice .. demolitions of Holland and Germany, back in the 90s)
Mount and Henderson to start as well .. it could be a whole different team theoretically
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id say if you were to change the entire line up.. the real quality players that you would miss would be pickford. maguire and kane .. not to say their replacements wouldnt do a good job at all but the quality isnt the same level where as mings and stones is there much? i mean both have mistakes in them but can be solid.. midfield mount and henderson for rice and phillips wouldnt be a drop in quality .. sterling whilst our best player its not like sancho and grealish arent equal to him.. plus we already seen the full backs changed
 
Bdill93 said:
Im with you. Right system, just needed that spark to get us going in attack.

The spark being Grealish :ROFLMAO:
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Unfortunately for Grealish (but fortunately for England), he has proven that he can make an impact from the bench now, so I expect him to continue in that role. Someone you bring on to make things happen rather than starting with him. Because you need players who can do that. Some players struggle to get into the game from the bench, others get a reputation as someone who can make an impact (see Defoe, Solskjaer, Giroud etc).
 
Orikoru said:
Unfortunately for Grealish (but fortunately for England), he has proven that he can make an impact from the bench now, so I expect him to continue in that role. Someone you bring on to make things happen rather than starting with him. Because you need players who can do that. Some players struggle to get into the game from the bench, others get a reputation as someone who can make an impact (see Defoe, Solskjaer, Giroud etc).
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I hope you're wrong. I fear you may be right. :ROFLMAO:

Hey, if he wins us the euros off the bench - I wont be complaining
 
pauljames87 said:
id say if you were to change the entire line up.. the real quality players that you would miss would be pickford. maguire and kane .. not to say their replacements wouldnt do a good job at all but the quality isnt the same level where as mings and stones is there much? i mean both have mistakes in them but can be solid.. midfield mount and henderson for rice and phillips wouldnt be a drop in quality .. sterling whilst our best player its not like sancho and grealish arent equal to him.. plus we already seen the full backs changed
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I do think Sterling is underrated in the sense that people don't understand what kind of player he is. They think 'winger' and expect him to be dribbling past full backs and putting crosses in like an old-school winger - that's not his game at all really. What he is brilliant at, better than any other English player, is timing his runs into the box to get those chances that he keeps scoring for us. And that's largely from training with Pep. He's become more of a shadow striker these days, if you had to give it a name. He doesn't have a massive amount of creativity on the ball, but he's become our best player off the ball.
 
Tashyboy said:
There’s getting hit on the break, but not one player who could pick up a loose ball ?
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When there you lose possession, as a team you either drop and get into your defensive shape, or you press. You can only press if the whole team do it and you are set correctly.

Kane doesn't have the pace or the legs to lead that high press, so we drop in and let the Germans have it in their defensive 3rd. There is no danger and we conserve energy.
 
Orikoru said:
I do think Sterling is underrated in the sense that people don't understand what kind of player he is. They think 'winger' and expect him to be dribbling past full backs and putting crosses in like an old-school winger - that's not his game at all really. What he is brilliant at, better than any other English player, is timing his runs into the box to get those chances that he keeps scoring for us. And that's largely from training with Pep. He's become more of a shadow striker these days, if you had to give it a name. He doesn't have a massive amount of creativity on the ball, but he's become our best player off the ball.
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Exactly, he is there as much for what he does off the ball than with it.

He might not have the best first touch or final ball. But his movement to create space is as good as anyone.
 
Orikoru said:
I do think Sterling is underrated in the sense that people don't understand what kind of player he is. They think 'winger' and expect him to be dribbling past full backs and putting crosses in like an old-school winger - that's not his game at all really. What he is brilliant at, better than any other English player, is timing his runs into the box to get those chances that he keeps scoring for us. And that's largely from training with Pep. He's become more of a shadow striker these days, if you had to give it a name. He doesn't have a massive amount of creativity on the ball, but he's become our best player off the ball.
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isnt that what he is training foden to do now aswell?
 
After Liverpool won the CL in 2005 there was a lot of pointing towards the level of opponents they faced and the manner of which they played - it was at times very defensive trying to break through but it was tournament football - I thought for England to do well they would need to rely on the outstanding level of talent they can put on the field in the front 5 places and then look to score more than the others.

They appeared to be weaker defensively overall but the reality at the moment is they are in the quarter finals because of the way they have defended - Pickford is a totally different GK for England , the back 4 or 5 every game have 99% of the time been solid and they have been protected very well - it’s not pretty but it’s tournament football and the aim is to get through to the next round and clean sheets are a massive help in that respect.

There are still lots of questions marks about going forward and how it’s going to work against the top CB’s ( if there are any left ) and how they will react if a team does score against them but whilst the likes of Pickford , Walker , Maguire and Stones keep showing themselves to be the best defensive set up then there is every chance England get to the final.

It’s just a shame that some of the fans associated with the national side let themselves down with their actions during the national anthem and then all over Twitter last night - show grace in victory
 
Liverpoolphil said:
After Liverpool won the CL in 2005 there was a lot of pointing towards the level of opponents they faced and the manner of which they played - it was at times very defensive trying to break through but it was tournament football - I thought for England to do well they would need to rely on the outstanding level of talent they can put on the field in the front 5 places and then look to score more than the others.

They appeared to be weaker defensively overall but the reality at the moment is they are in the quarter finals because of the way they have defended - Pickford is a totally different GK for England , the back 4 or 5 every game have 99% of the time been solid and they have been protected very well - it’s not pretty but it’s tournament football and the aim is to get through to the next round and clean sheets are a massive help in that respect.

There are still lots of questions marks about going forward and how it’s going to work against the top CB’s ( if there are any left ) and how they will react if a team does score against them but whilst the likes of Pickford , Walker , Maguire and Stones keep showing themselves to be the best defensive set up then there is every chance England get to the final.

It’s just a shame that some of the fans associated with the national side let themselves down with their actions during the national anthem and then all over Twitter last night - show grace in victory
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Pickford has been OUTSTANDING

Our back 4 gave them 1 clear chance yesterday and Muller messed it up - so 99% is bang on too.

Booing a national anthem is appalling - I agree.

And now youve got me wondering which team has the best defence left in the competition.... Italy?
 
BiMGuy said:
When there you lose possession, as a team you either drop and get into your defensive shape, or you press. You can only press if the whole team do it and you are set correctly.

Kane doesn't have the pace or the legs to lead that high press, so we drop in and let the Germans have it in their defensive 3rd. There is no danger and we conserve energy.
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That tactical objective could be achieved without sending the wing back up on his own, by just punting the ball into the corner for the opposing keeper to retrieve. It would be equally effective, but really dull.
It's just frustrating having so much creative opportunity with so little chaos in the opposing box being generated. What's happened to all the midfielders who would attack a loose ball and have a shot from 20-30 yards.
 
Bdill93 said:
Pickford has been OUTSTANDING

Our back 4 gave them 1 clear chance yesterday and Muller messed it up - so 99% is bang on too.

Booing a national anthem is appalling - I agree.

And now youve got me wondering which team has the best defence left in the competition.... Italy?
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Italy have only conceded once, in extra time against Austria. So they are second best after ours.
 
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