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Stuart_C said:
It is fair Phil.

Our recruitment has been outstanding but we also went 3or4 windows without improving that squad. We won the European Cup then never strengthed. Everyone else did. That is were he has been let down.

Its blatantly obvious to every man and his dog we need at least 1 CB, to replace Lovren. Since November we’ve needed 2 CB’s. not wanted. Needed. No arguments.

By the sounds of it we‘re not bringing in a CB this window neither.

*Direct quote from today’s presser.

Klopp on transfers (again suggesting a frustration)

"Of course somebody else is making the decisions - it was always like this and I cannot change that. I make recommendations, but I cannot spend the money."
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We won the European Cup and then went onto the win the league ?‍♂️ - when did we go 4 Windows without improving the squad ? The club have signed a player in pretty every window bar this one sad

We won the league and then spent money on Jota , Thiago and Tskimakas

Which CB’s should we look to buy as there is clearly lots of them hanging around that we could just go and get ? We not city or Chelsea to be able to have these £50mil players sitting there waiting to come in

The club is losing millions each week because of the lockdown , works on a self sufficient model - we don’t have fortunately hanging around to spend - if there is someone there to bring in then they well

And we know that Klopp doesn’t buy the players - that’s Edwards and been that way since day 1

We are in a bit of rut , injuries have played a huge part in the season so far and still not out of it. We are not a sell to buy club and its not fair to suggest that - we are self sufficient - the club spends money it makes , no player has been sold just so that someone else can be bought
 
Liverpoolphil said:
We won the European Cup and then went onto the win the league ?‍♂️ - when did we go 4 Windows without improving the squad ? The club have signed a player in pretty every window bar this one sad

We won the league and then spent money on Jota , Thiago and Tskimakas

Which CB’s should we look to buy as there is clearly lots of them hanging around that we could just go and get ? We not city or Chelsea to be able to have these £50mil players sitting there waiting to come in

The club is losing millions each week because of the lockdown , works on a self sufficient model - we don’t have fortunately hanging around to spend - if there is someone there to bring in then they well

And we know that Klopp doesn’t buy the players - that’s Edwards and been that way since day 1

We are in a bit of rut , injuries have played a huge part in the season so far and still not out of it. We are not a sell to buy club and its not fair to suggest that - we are self sufficient - the club spends money it makes , no player has been sold just so that someone else can be bought
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We won the CL and improved the squad with who?

if what you say is correct, if Coutinho isn’t sold, where does the money come from for the signings we made?

By the time we’ve won the league, we’ve got a squad with no real cover for 4 positions. Full backs, CB’s, front 3. Yet they’ve been flogged to death week in week out. That squad should be in a better position than what it is today. We can’t just keep relying on just coaching.

If we’re not a sell to buy club, where’s the real investment then Phillip because any club who wants top players can’t just rely on what the club brings in. Every club needs investment from its owners, especially times like now.

This squad has been fantastic over 2/3 seasons, but it shouldn’t be in the position it is today.
 
Stuart_C said:
We won the CL and improved the squad with who?

if what you say is correct, if Coutinho isn’t sold, where does the money come from for the signings we made?

By the time we’ve won the league, we’ve got a squad with no real cover for 4 positions. Full backs, CB’s, front 3. Yet they’ve been flogged to death week in week out. That squad should be in a better position than what it is today. We can’t just keep relying on just coaching.

If we’re not a sell to buy club, where’s the real investment then Phillip because any club who wants top players can’t just rely on what the club brings in. Every club needs investment from its owners, especially times like now.

This squad has been fantastic over 2/3 seasons, but it shouldn’t be in the position it is today.
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Do you have you sign players to improve over one season?

We won the EC and the squad was clearly good enough to then go on breaking records as they won the Prem League ? They brought in Minamino, and a few youngsters

They had already said that VVD arriving wasn’t depending on Coutinho leaving - he left on his choice so the club used that money to bring in other players

Self sufficient- using money earned to spend , the owners aren’t going to buy players from their own personal pockets - we have known that since they arrived just as the manager has known that - it allows the club to stand on its own two feet , not rely on bank debt or be stood up by oil Billionares

We have a squad with 4 full backs , 6 players for the front three , multiple centre mids and 3 CB’s - you can’t plan for having your main two CBs out injured then also your main Centre mid signing out injured then the guy you brought in to support the front three out injured as well.

There is no doubt that the funds available in the summer were affected by lockdown and we still will be because of the drop in income
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do you have you sign players to improve over one season?
Yes
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We won the EC and the squad was clearly good enough to then go on breaking records as they won the Prem League ? They brought in Minamino, and a few youngsters
No it wasn’t clearly good enough and you know very well it wasn’t. We broke records because we stuck with the same 11/core of players week in week out. you can’t keep relying on youngsters. Every season you’ve got to keep adding at least 1 top player. All the great sides of the past have done.
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They had already said that VVD arriving wasn’t depending on Coutinho leaving - he left on his choice so the club used that money to bring in other players

Self sufficient- using money earned to spend , the owners aren’t going to buy players from their own personal pockets - we have known that since they arrived just as the manager has known that - it allows the club to stand on its own two feet , not rely on bank debt or be stood up by oil Billionares

We have a squad with 4 full backs , 6 players for the front three , multiple centre mids and 3 CB’s - you can’t plan for having your main two CBs out injured then also your main Centre mid signing out injured then the guy you brought in to support the front three out injured as well.
we had 1 and 34yr midfielder as cover for the previous 3 seasons. 3 front 3 players who just aren’t good enough to be able to rest the other 3 for any long period of time. We‘ve had 2 back up CB’s for 3 seasons, 1 not good enough and 1 who misses more games than he’s fit for.
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There is no doubt that the funds available in the summer were affected by lockdown and we still will be because of the drop in income
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We should not be struggling financially when the club was bought for a song and is worth well over £1bn quid.

We've had this argument many times over re the owners, I won’t change my opinion.

1 thing you cannot defend is the fact that 20 days into a transfer window and we’re nowhere near signing 2CB’s thats badly needed.

If the club haven’t got the funds then something is seriously wrong. At least 1 CB is the minimum require,ent over the next week.
 
Stuart_C said:
We should not be struggling financially when the club was bought for a song and is worth well over £1bn quid.

We've had this argument many times over re the owners, I won’t change my opinion.

1 thing you cannot defend is the fact that 20 days into a transfer window and we’re nowhere near signing 2CB’s thats badly needed.

If the club haven’t got the funds then something is seriously wrong. At least 1 CB is the minimum require,ent over the next week.
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However you dress it up Stu, Liverpool for a season and a bit were untouchable. But if you play the same way every week, week after week. Teams suss out that style of play. And even if it just means taking a point from you that’s a succes. When a team has reached a pinnacle like Liverpool did, it needs to find that extra something else to take it to another level to play a differant way. Massive injuries have taken Liverpool in the wrong direction through no fault of there own. It remains to be seen if Liverpool can find the money and player/s to help Liverpool kick on
 
Tashyboy said:
However you dress it up Stu, Liverpool for a season and a bit were untouchable. But if you play the same way every week, week after week. Teams suss out that style of play. And even if it just means taking a point from you that’s a succes. When a team has reached a pinnacle like Liverpool did, it needs to find that extra something else to take it to another level to play a differant way. Massive injuries have taken Liverpool in the wrong direction through no fault of there own. It remains to be seen if Liverpool can find the money and player/s to help Liverpool kick on
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Look I understand and appreciate what this squad has given us over the last 3 seasons but every successful side evolves and you have to keep adding and strengthening to keep ahead.

THe biggest issue is that best 11 has pretty much played for 2-3seasons, they’re not machines.

I agree we’ve been hammered by injuries but they could’ve/should’ve been managed better by better investment in the squad over the last few seasons.
 
Stuart_C said:
Look I understand and appreciate what this squad has given us over the last 3 seasons but every successful side evolves and you have to keep adding and strengthening to keep ahead.

THe biggest issue is that best 11 has pretty much played for 2-3seasons, they’re not machines.

I agree we’ve been hammered by injuries but they could’ve/should’ve been managed better by better investment in the squad over the last few seasons.
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Looking at this season, I was worried that City were not gonna finish in the top four a couple of months ago. This season has been a stonker. Ave a feeling that Leicester will finish in the top four. Which is gonna put someone’s nose out for a champs league next season. Spurs and Everton Could upset that top four even more.
As Fergie once said “ it’s squeaky bum time”. Its Started a bit early this year for the title and top four ?
 
With De Bruyne and Vardy out for the next few weeks that's a huge blow. Both teams were building momentum. Great news for the other top four challengers.

Also annoying that I played my FPL wildcard last week and now have to sell both players :rolleyes:
 
Stuart_C said:
Our recruitment has been outstanding but we also went 3or4 windows without improving that squad. We won the European Cup then never strengthed.
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I didn't want to wade into this discussion, but you seem to have forgotten that Liverpool have signed Alcantara and Jota which are major signings by any standard. Also Minamino and Adrian who I think is a decent reserve keeper and strengthens the squad.
 
sunshine said:
I didn't want to wade into this discussion, but you seem to have forgotten that Liverpool have signed Alcantara and Jota which are major signings by any standard. Also Minamino and Adrian who I think is a decent reserve keeper and strengthens the squad.
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I haven't. My point was from Kiev up until we won the league we'd pretty much had the same squad of players for 2-3yrs and it was pretty much the same team week in week out.

They're physically knackered. People may say we'll you've got Origi/Shaqiri/Ox etc but they're not good enough. That's my point.
 
Stuart_C said:
I haven't. My point was from Kiev up until we won the league we'd pretty much had the same squad of players for 2-3yrs and it was pretty much the same team week in week out.

They're physically knackered. People may say we'll you've got Origi/Shaqiri/Ox etc but they're not good enough. That's my point.
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but the majority of Liverpool fans been telling us we sold you a world beater in the Ox for the last few years :unsure::unsure::unsure:
 
fundy said:
but the majority of Liverpool fans been telling us we sold you a world beater in the Ox for the last few years :unsure::unsure::unsure:
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Unfortunately he's been very unlucky with Injuries. I like Ox but he’s made of glass. He had a run of games for us where he was excellent then he got injured.
 
fundy said:
Fair play to Saints, got what they deserved by picking their best side

We just look toothless when 2 or 3 are missing (or even more toothless i should say)
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It's not just certain players not being good enough, it's the whole pace of play. Every player seems to need an extra touch. The opponents have so much time to regroup. I was watching it, and so many times an early pass would have left Southampton flat footed, but it didn't come.
Add to that a real B team vibe, and Arsenal got exactly what they deserved. Without Leno it would have been a bigger margin.
 
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