The Footie Thread

[Tashyboy]

Vardy is one of the best at winning penalties - he'll bend his run towards a defender's leg so they have no option but to trip him, and then he's straight down. It's an art. Kane does it will too. For me it's distinct from 'diving' though as you manufacture a foul from a lazy defender who hangs a leg out. I consider diving as just throwing yourself down with no contact at all.

Have a look on the BBC site re the Palmerias game V Boca. There’s some Ideal footage of where Boca were denied 2 penalties. One of them looked nailed on. However VAR showed it was a blatant dive with no contact what so ever.

 

[fundy]

Vardy is one of the best at winning penalties - he'll bend his run towards a defender's leg so they have no option but to trip him, and then he's straight down. It's an art. Kane does it will too. For me it's distinct from 'diving' though as you manufacture a foul from a lazy defender who hangs a leg out. I consider diving as just throwing yourself down with no contact at all.

Utter garbage imho. Still diving, still cheating, sounds like youve been listening to too many washed up commentators. That or youre trying to excuse Kane and hiding him behind Vardy. Or both

 

[Orikoru]

Utter garbage imho. Still diving, still cheating, sounds like youve been listening to too many washed up commentators. That or youre trying to excuse Kane and hiding him behind Vardy. Or both

It's not the same, because one requires the defender to put a half-arsed lazy tackle in, for which they pay the price. If you tackle in the box you need to win the ball.

Also, even with what I consider actual diving I think the response is way overblown from a lot of people. By the same token, appealing for a throw-in that isn't yours is cheating. Defenders who throw their hands up 'innocently' when they know they've made contact is cheating. It's directly lying to the ref - but no outrage about that. If someone attempts a dive and fails, they should get booked (this doesn't happen enough admittedly, with VAR it should be easy) and that should be an end to it. No real need to moan about it for the rest of the day.

 

[sunshine]

Vardy is one of the best at winning penalties - he'll bend his run towards a defender's leg so they have no option but to trip him, and then he's straight down. It's an art. Kane does it will too. For me it's distinct from 'diving' though as you manufacture a foul from a lazy defender who hangs a leg out. I consider diving as just throwing yourself down with no contact at all.

Running across a defender has always been part of the game in my lifetime, I can remember being coached it at school in the 90s. Vardy is excellent at this. Like you, I don't think it's diving, it's just encouraging contact and forcing an error from a defender.

I have a problem with players going down without contact, or where the contact is miniscule, or where they initiate the contact. Salah is blatant at throwing himself over a defender's leg, he's usually started to go down before contact, it looks terrible and I don't understand how referees fall for it so often. Kane is very good at using contact to trip himself up, it doesn't look like a dive at all, in fact he's not in control of how he falls. Ronaldo has excelled at this. It's so subtle it's masterful.

 

[Tashyboy]

Running across a defender has always been part of the game in my lifetime, I can remember being coached it at school in the 90s. Vardy is excellent at this. Like you, I don't think it's diving, it's just encouraging contact and forcing an error from a defender.

I have a problem with players going down without contact, or where the contact is miniscule, or where they initiate the contact. Salah is blatant at throwing himself over a defender's leg, he's usually started to go down before contact, it looks terrible and I don't understand how referees fall for it so often. Kane is very good at using contact to trip himself up, it doesn't look like a dive at all, in fact he's not in control of how he falls. Ronaldo has excelled at this. It's so subtle it's masterful.

Your second paragraph, that was Billy sharp last night. He is tugging the defenders shirt which causes arm onto the ball. Billy sharp goes down for good measure. My grief was the ref went and had a look at the screen. As Soon as the ref saw Billy sharp have hold of the defenders shirt he should of blown for a free kick against Sharpy. Why didnt he.

 

[DanFST]

Agreed with the above. With VAR it's easy to spot, but nothing happens.

I'm also peeved that nothing happens when a player takes a huge touch forcing the ball out of reach, or straight to a defender. Then continues to run straight into the goalie or an outstretched leg. Not sure how it's a penalty when you are no longer in control of the ball.

 

[Tashyboy]

Agreed with the above. With VAR it's easy to spot, but nothing happens.

I'm also peeved that nothing happens when a player takes a huge touch forcing the ball out of reach, or straight to a defender. Then continues to run straight into the goalie or an outstretched leg. Not sure how it's a penalty when you are no longer in control of the ball.

Having been brought up on the assumption that football is a contact sport. It seems that attackers have a massive advantage when the play is in the penalty box. It seems that the slightest of touches and an attacker is down. As a manager you want to see defenders making challenges. Refs wanted VAR to help them, it seems to me refs are not using VAR to its full potential when they have the opportunity of using it.
Don't even get me started on why a linesman does not flag when a player is 5 yds offside and let’s play continue.

 

[Orikoru]

Running across a defender has always been part of the game in my lifetime, I can remember being coached it at school in the 90s. Vardy is excellent at this. Like you, I don't think it's diving, it's just encouraging contact and forcing an error from a defender.

I have a problem with players going down without contact, or where the contact is miniscule, or where they initiate the contact. Salah is blatant at throwing himself over a defender's leg, he's usually started to go down before contact, it looks terrible and I don't understand how referees fall for it so often. Kane is very good at using contact to trip himself up, it doesn't look like a dive at all, in fact he's not in control of how he falls. Ronaldo has excelled at this. It's so subtle it's masterful.

Fully agree. Someone like Kane may sound thick as in an interview, but on the pitch he's a genius, whenever he gets the ball in the box he's thinking can I get half a yard on my right foot for a shot, if not then my left foot, and if not then can I put myself a difficult position for the defender where he'll potentially foul me, or make a poor attempt at a challenge that I can exploit - all in the space of a second.

 

[clubchamp98]

Having been brought up on the assumption that football is a contact sport. It seems that attackers have a massive advantage when the play is in the penalty box. It seems that the slightest of touches and an attacker is down. As a manager you want to see defenders making challenges. Refs wanted VAR to help them, it seems to me refs are not using VAR to its full potential when they have the opportunity of using it.
Don't even get me started on why a linesman does not flag when a player is 5 yds offside and let’s play continue.

One last night where Brewster (shef wed) must have been 10yds offside but no flag until his shot was in the stands.
Close ones yes keep it down but that was just ridiculous and wasting time.

 

[Tashyboy]

One last night where Brewster (shef wed) must have been 10yds offside but no flag until his shot was in the stands.
Close ones yes keep it down but that was just ridiculous and wasting time.

That was the offside that I could not get my head around, if the Lino cannot see that and flag the game is proper screwed. If your at a game and see that the crowd is gonna go ballistic. Plus letting the play develop. Someone is gonna get injured. Everyone says it, everyone sees it. So why let it happen. Marginals I can understand but 5-10 yds no way.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

The keeper keeping us alive at the moment. Not creating anything (not unusual) and too much pretty stuff without purpose

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Hahahaha stop fishing

The humble amongst us know we've been on these runs before in recent times and its all turned to poop. Best thing to to is keep quiet so anything said doesn't come back and bite you in the arse.

Was I that obvious? ??

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Great point and more than a match for Spurs in the second half and had chances to nick it. Happy with that (don't say that often)

 

[Tashyboy]

The keeper keeping us alive at the moment. Not creating anything (not unusual) and too much pretty stuff without purpose

flippin eck Homer you even get it wrong with your own lot ?

good point. Be kind on Ori ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

flippin eck Homer you even get it wrong with your own lot ?

good point. Be kind on Ori ?

Were a different side in the 2nd half and could have nicked it.

 

[Tashyboy]

Were a different side in the 2nd half and could have nicked it.

How did scott parkers apology to Jose go ???

 

[Orikoru]

Honestly can't be arsed with this season anymore. Not a single team has any consistency. I'd be losing interest if it wasn't for fact there's literally nothing else to do but watch it right now. Null and void it! Give United the asterisk this time.

 

[Tashyboy]

Honestly can't be arsed with this season anymore. Not a single team has any consistency. I'd be losing interest if it wasn't for fact there's literally nothing else to do but watch it right now. Null and void it! Give United the asterisk this time.

Sweet god man, an asterix for Utd. Mind you wouldn’t be the first cockney to want Utd to win something ??

That aside, what’s happened to Spurs, I thought Jose had found a winning formula. Although his fascination in believing Alli can do a good job on the bench even has me perplexed.

 

[clubchamp98]

Honestly can't be arsed with this season anymore. Not a single team has any consistency. I'd be losing interest if it wasn't for fact there's literally nothing else to do but watch it right now. Null and void it! Give United the asterisk this time.

That’s a bit unfair Sheffield United have been consistent until this week.

 

[Tashyboy]

That’s a bit unfair Sheffield United have been consistent until this week.

In the day and age of fans taking great pleasure in winding one another up. A Sheff Utd fan posted on fb the other day that Sheff Utd have won more games than Liverpool this year. Just about sums this year up.
Ave a feeling this years title race could be one of the best ever.last game of the season and three or four teams could win it ?