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[Orikoru]

I couldn't find the law saying what things can still be a red after play is judged to have stopped. I'd have thought a reckless challenge that endangers a player would be one of those things - but if it's not, then ok. Pickford is a lucky boy either way. Van Dijk not so much.

 

[Bdill93]

Aston Villa

That is all

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I couldn't find the law saying what things can still be a red after play is judged to have stopped. I'd have thought a reckless challenge that endangers a player would be one of those things - but if it's not, then ok. Pickford is a lucky boy either way. Van Dijk not so much.

It’s here, again, not agreeing with it as it’s open to interpratation:
Peter Walton on BT saturday said he thought it was Violent Conduct and the VAR guy got it wrong:

On the FA website the IFAB Laws of the Game 2020-21 state the following under Law 11: Offside.
In situations where:

• a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence.

• an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge.

 

[4LEX]

I can't believe that Pickford incident....VVD is the one player Liverpool can't replace.

City and Pep must be rubbing their hands together, especially if Ageuro can stay fit. Changes the title race big time.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It’s here, again, not agreeing with it as it’s open to interpratation:
Peter Walton on BT saturday said he thought it was Violent Conduct and the VAR guy got it wrong:

On the FA website the IFAB Laws of the Game 2020-21 state the following under Law 11: Offside.
In situations where:

• a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence.

• an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge.

The biggest problem with that rule now is a player isn't judged to be offside until the end of the move.

This has been brought up many times that the Offside rule now as it stands is dangerous.

Leaving all players open to injury.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

It’s here, again, not agreeing with it as it’s open to interpratation:
Peter Walton on BT saturday said he thought it was Violent Conduct and the VAR guy got it wrong:

On the FA website the IFAB Laws of the Game 2020-21 state the following under Law 11: Offside.
In situations where:

• a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence.

• an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge.

Law 11 is the Law governing offside and does not refer to violent conduct or recklessly endangering an opponent.

VVD being offside did not then mean that Pickford should not be sanctioned for his challenge.

If that were so then, to extend your argument players would not be punished for retaliation as an offence had already been committed.

The correct decision would have been a free kick to Everton for the offside decision and a red card to Pickford for the challenge.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I did not know that. Interesting . Every day a learning day and all that. You want to memo that to Alan Shearer as he got it wrong on MotD as well

On that basis I'd agree, I have previously said it should be a red but I see that was now based on all options being open to the ref. It is was reckless and clumsy but it was not violent conduct.

How can taking someone out at the knee not be violent conduct?

Dont believe all what our outdated referee tells you. He says violent conduct can still be administered, but serious foul play can't? Can you or anyone else tell me what the difference is?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Law 11 is the Law governing offside and does not refer to violent conduct or recklessly endangering an opponent.

VVD being offside did not then mean that Pickford should not be sanctioned for his challenge.

If that were so then, to extend your argument players would not be punished for retaliation as an offence had already been committed.

The correct decision would have been a free kick to Everton for the offside decision and a red card to Pickford for the challenge.

Hallelujah!!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Law 11 is the Law governing offside and does not refer to violent conduct or recklessly endangering an opponent.

VVD being offside did not then mean that Pickford should not be sanctioned for his challenge.

If that were so then, to extend your argument players would not be punished for retaliation as an offence had already been committed.

The correct decision would have been a free kick to Everton for the offside decision and a red card to Pickford for the challenge.

Don’t shoot the messenger mate, that’s what the PGMOL put out.
https://talksport.com/football/7751...ckle-van-dijk-liverpool-merseyside-derby/amp/

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....iplinary-action-for-virgil-van-dijk-challenge

Shows how gutless the FA are and how shocking Coote is as a ref

How can someone look at that incident and not deem it worthy of any sanction at all - it’s a red card all day long and it’s laughable that they have just bottled it and backed Coote. It’s no surprise he has been removed from games before.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....iplinary-action-for-virgil-van-dijk-challenge

Shows how gutless the FA are and how shocking Coote is as a ref

How can someone look at that incident and not deem it worthy of any sanction at all - it’s a red card all day long and it’s laughable that they have just bottled it and backed Coote. It’s no surprise he has been removed from games before.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How can taking someone out at the knee not be violent conduct?

Dont believe all what our outdated referee tells you. He says violent conduct can still be administered, but serious foul play can't? Can you or anyone else tell me what the difference is?

Violent conduct covers a deliberate act. A punch, a kick, a head butt etc. Pickford's act was not a deliberate act of violence. His eyes are on the ball, his legs are spread as any keeper does when making himself big. It is a classic pose he is in. Unfortunately it is horribly mistimed and he is too close to VVD. It is dangerous play, it is reckless but I don't term it as violent conduct.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

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Showing your class as always.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Showing your class as always.

It was two days ago now.

If any other team moans and moans about refs we are told to get on with it. These things happen
When it's Liverpool jesus we never hear end of it

 

[robinthehood]

I see pickford will not face any further action.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It was two days ago now.

If any other team moans and moans about refs we are told to get on with it. These things happen
When it's Liverpool jesus we never hear end of it

Actually what I posted has just been released today ?

And you have the ability to not read posts if you so wish ?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I see pickford will not face any further action.

Rightly so. Anybody wanting any further action needs to get a life.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Actually what I posted has just been released today ?

And you have the ability to not read posts if you so wish ?

The fact there have been 7 other games this weekend which probably have a total of 1 page worth of postings

The Derby itself was ok has just dragged on because of a missed red card

Get over it

Your the first to moan about other teams banging on about Injuries... Poor officials .. etc yet soon as it happens against your lot you won't shut up about it

Nobody talking about how villa stayed up on a Hawkeye failing. They should have one less point .. but I bet your lot will be banging on and on about this when it costs the title .. will be we should be back to back champs if not for Pickford..

Always the same.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Violent conduct covers a deliberate act. A punch, a kick, a head butt etc. Pickford's act was not a deliberate act of violence. His eyes are on the ball, his legs are spread as any keeper does when making himself big. It is a classic pose he is in. Unfortunately it is horribly mistimed and he is too close to VVD. It is dangerous play, it is reckless but I don't term it as violent conduct.

Glad of your explanation between the two.

If Richarlison's would have been after a whistle had gone, would this have been the same then? I highly doubt it.

 

[Kellfire]

The fact there have been 7 other games this weekend which probably have a total of 1 page worth of postings

The Derby itself was has just dragged on because of a missed red card

Get over it

Your the first to moan about other teams banging on about Injuries... Poor officials .. etc yet soon as it happens against your lot you won't shut up about it

Nobody talking about how villa stayed up on a Hawkeye failing. They should have one less point .. but I bet your lot will be banging on and on about this when it costs the title .. will be we should be back to back champs if not for Pickford..

Always the same.

Why do you keep replying? Are you really so oblivious to your hypocrisy here?