Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
Tried to be honest with all my answers, and as you put earlier James was looking for cards etc, and I agree it’s another area that needs clamping down on.
1. Should Mane have been booked for diving?
2. Should Mane of been given a Red Card for kicking Mina.
3. Were was VAR when TAA clearly pulled Richarlison’s shirt when he hit the post with a header?
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Dont know, maybe having a cup of tea like he was for the VVD challenge.
Answers qualified by subjectivity / do we want VAR to look at every bit of contact and do we want to games finish 7 a side, if every indiscretion is booked / equalled by Gomez's deliberate foul on Fabinho, Richarlison's weekly dive fest etc - all of these are not glaringly bad decisions and can be talked about in every single premiership game. I was talking about the MASSIVE mistakes. MASSIVE vs Whataboutery are on different levels to each other.
Now the meaty stuff:-
1. Is a player allowed to take a player out at the knee, even if the ref has blown his whistle.
Again, it’s not black and white, it’s subjective if a tackle is deemed serious foul play, if you are asking can a Red Card be given after the Ref has blown his whistle the answer is Yes for Violent Conduct. OK, but 99.9% of journalists, pundits, neutrals and even a large body of blues have said it was, unconditionally.
2. Nowadays, is intent (or lack of) a good enough defence when a reckless or dangerous tackle has been committed?
As above, it comes down to how the Ref or in this case Ref and VAR Official view it. When a tackle is that bad, for a good few years intent has been taken out of it and replaced by "was he in control". If you think JP was in control, well, wow.
3. Was Pickford "in control".
If by “in control” you mean “was his movement intentional” then yes, imo he was, and imo, his intent was to spread himself and block the ball. No-one intends to give a penalty away, they intend to tackle tha ball, but many times they take the man - what happens when a defender intends to take the ball but takes the man instead. I'll tell you now a foul/penalty is given. If the tackle is dangerous and out of control, he is also sent off. He took the opponent out, knee high, with knees and boots approx 2 foot off the ground, and with the ball approx 2 foot away. Why do you keep pushing the intent angle?
4. 2 frames on, and Ive seen moving pictures, Pickford's knees are level with VVD on impact (you can see JP's boot is equally as high on your still picture, the other boot is also that high by the time contact is made, btw.
You also see in the pictures VVD’s foot is planted. Whether VVD's foot is planted or not,JP takes him out at the knee. Irrelavent.
5. You class this contact as "low" - my god, what would you class as high - throat level?
Misunderstanding or bad explanation from me, I mean low as in he’s going from an upright/standing position to the ground. So you mean lower, again irrelevant, he misses the ball by some distance with both legs, and takes out the man.
6. Would you class JP as a Rash keeper, or at least rash on many occasions? Rash may not necessarily mean dirty or malicious, but rash can be dangerous, btw.
I don’t rate Pickford, but in all honesty I’ve never seen him injure or do something dangerous involving another player, I have seen a picture today of an incident with him and Alli, but don’t remember it. As I said not necessarily meaning dirty or malicious, I asked is he Rash? Rash can mean getting involved in general play or close to his own defenders more than he should etc. Just look at the England game during the week, should he have even got close to walker at the time. To me he is a rash keeper.
7. Do you think Richarlison's was a red? Absolute stone wall. This was a tackle that, luckily, was a glancing blow by Richarlison, but it was a straight leg tackle at the knee and was rightly a red card. To indulge you in your intent angle, I dont think Richarlison intended to do him or will give him the benefit of the doubt, but again irrelavent. Richarlison hits Thiago's knee with one boot, JP hits VVD either side of his knee and follows fully through with his groin onto VVD's knee, and you dont think it's a red? Its twice a red that Richarlison's was.
I dont expect any sympathy from blues, because I agree, we have had more decisions go our way over the years than against us in derbies, although we've also had some shockers against us as well, but 100% NOT a red. Come on?
For it to be a Red for me there has to be intent and with it happening so fast I genuinely believe he did what I’d expect any keeper to do and attempt to block the ball, it was clumsy and momentum took him into VVD, I’d give a penalty and at most a yellow card, but believe a penalty was enough punishment. Your not in charge of PGMOL and neither am I. I'm sure we would both like many rules and laws of the game different, but we dont have that luxury. Under the rules intent has been taken out of it for dangerous out of control tackles, so ignore the intent malarkey.
My main problem is 3 VAR's went against us yesterday, and all 3 were shockers, not subjective ones.
You keep saying 3 shockers, I haven’t seen any mention, by anyone else but you of 3 instances, everywhere else it’s 2.
Hardly anyone has mentioned it, but before Keane heads it in he pulls Thiagos shirt by approx 1 foot. If another Everton player had done it not a problem, but for the goalscorer to be allowed to pull someones shirt less than a second before he heads it in is a foul for me.
The VAR offside is a joke, next week the same margin will go the other way.
The VVD/Pickford incident they claim (VAR lot) was not seen as Violent Conduct and that is the only offence considered after a whistle has been blown. One minute they are saying they didnt look at it, not sure if they are changing their mind now. If thats not violent conduct, what is?
Keane’s goal, I still haven’t seen, after watching it back, any offence by him. shirtpull.
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