Slime
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The thing I can't understand is the English who desperately want England to fail.
clubchamp98
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Agree with most but
McGuire though made two stupid tackles in their half.
That’s just individual errors because of poor form, he shouldn’t be playing that’s down to the manager.
Not sure three of the CBs you quote could play the way modern CBs play now.
They are the playmakers now.
Used to be the Centre Mid who controlled the game.
Look at Liverpool or City it’s VVD that has most touches in a game.
A lot of players now look like they are trying not to make a mistake rather than trying something skilful.
It’s boring watching possession football from side to side and backwards all the time.
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4LEX
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Really poor call from Southgate to include Maguire in these games, given his person issues and bad form. He needed a rest, maybe a week in Greece....
But you can't take too much from this international break, utterly pointless and of benefit to no one. Once you have Chilwell and TAA back the side will look so much more balanced and dynamic. Ditto the attack with Rashford, Kane and Sancho.
But you can't take too much from this international break, utterly pointless and of benefit to no one. Once you have Chilwell and TAA back the side will look so much more balanced and dynamic. Ditto the attack with Rashford, Kane and Sancho.
4LEX
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You're confusing England fans with general fans who jump on the bandwagon every few years. Nothing wrong with that and during 2018 the buzz from everyone was brilliant. You've just got to seperate the two.
England fans in general are the most loyal and supportive out of any national team. Biggest home average in the world, biggest travelling support for away games and largest support at major tournaments outside of the host.
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Goalkeeper - Pickford, shouldn’t be, Pope offers nothing better and Henderson is warming the bench, so do we go back to last seasons form and play him or is that a risk. Sadly for all his errors for Everton, Pickford hasn’t let England down.
Defence: He’s played 5 at the back for a while now, certainly with M-Niles & James I don’t see it as defensive minded.
Coady is certainly the best we’ve got at the moment, but are we suggesting he is a backward step from Dier?
Maquire had a nightmare and no issue with Walker.
Trippier couldn’t play as the FA arranged a disciplinary hearing, unbelievable the ruling body would do that, added to Chilwell withdrawing, nothing Southgate could of done.
Why TAA wasn’t playing is beyond me.
Midfield, Henderson has missed a few games through injury and is defensive minded, he would of played alongside Rice.
Sancho? Still don’t see the hype around him.
Grealish? Again, not completely convinced.
Mount? Quality player and deserves his place,
Remainder: No issue with any.
Southgate: No doubt trusts certain players and this week has been badly affected by injuries and off field shenanigans, people complain he doesn’t play people on form yet last night he had 4 players with less than 3 Caps each in the team, add to that the season is only 4 games old, what other choices does he have? Who exactly these on form players he didn’t see.
1 thing is for sure, no England manager will ever please everyone.
Defence: He’s played 5 at the back for a while now, certainly with M-Niles & James I don’t see it as defensive minded.
Coady is certainly the best we’ve got at the moment, but are we suggesting he is a backward step from Dier?
Maquire had a nightmare and no issue with Walker.
Trippier couldn’t play as the FA arranged a disciplinary hearing, unbelievable the ruling body would do that, added to Chilwell withdrawing, nothing Southgate could of done.
Why TAA wasn’t playing is beyond me.
Midfield, Henderson has missed a few games through injury and is defensive minded, he would of played alongside Rice.
Sancho? Still don’t see the hype around him.
Grealish? Again, not completely convinced.
Mount? Quality player and deserves his place,
Remainder: No issue with any.
Southgate: No doubt trusts certain players and this week has been badly affected by injuries and off field shenanigans, people complain he doesn’t play people on form yet last night he had 4 players with less than 3 Caps each in the team, add to that the season is only 4 games old, what other choices does he have? Who exactly these on form players he didn’t see.
1 thing is for sure, no England manager will ever please everyone.
Orikoru
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Southgate reckons he picks on form, yet he's still picking Pickford and Maguire off the back of a half decent 2018 World Cup. 
I'm not really a fan of the back five and two holding players. From that squad the only defenders who regularly play in a three/five for their clubs are Coady, Maitland-Niles and Saka - and the latter two shouldn't be starting for England anyway. You can't fit them to a new system off a couple of training sessions and a friendly. Surely it makes sense to play 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 as most of them do at their clubs. Obviously the only question mark then is Coady, since on form he has every right to start, it's just how comfortable he is in a back four, I don't know.
I'm not really a fan of the back five and two holding players. From that squad the only defenders who regularly play in a three/five for their clubs are Coady, Maitland-Niles and Saka - and the latter two shouldn't be starting for England anyway. You can't fit them to a new system off a couple of training sessions and a friendly. Surely it makes sense to play 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 as most of them do at their clubs. Obviously the only question mark then is Coady, since on form he has every right to start, it's just how comfortable he is in a back four, I don't know.
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I don’t think i have seen people “desperately” wanting England to fail ?
There is a huge difference between people being critical , or not being bothered or not supporting them and people wanting to them fail
Surely you aren’t overreacting a touch ?
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Some on here have been in all these categories at some time or other and it is then difficult to take their posts as genuine.
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Just ridiculous!
Liverbirdie
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Orikoru
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Wow, what an appalling list of potential candidates. 
4LEX
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I think you have me mixed up with someone who gives a rat's ass what you say.
Well don't spout ignorant rubbish if you don't want to be corrected. I watch England every home game and a few aways and your comments are simply wrong.
Using your simple logic, I guess everyone was right to tarnish Liverpool fans with a bad rep for the minority in the 80's....(cue victim card being pulled)
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Jesus Christ ?
clubchamp98
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I know Wenger should br nearer the top!
Slime
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Not over reacting at all, I'm just curious why supposedly patriotic English people want England to fail.
Could you tell me?
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1. It’s a football team - it’s not “England” , stop even attempting to attach patriotism with a football
2. Stu said I like to watch them fail as opposed to being desperately wanting them to fail , I suspect he doesn’t give a monkeys what happens but enjoys it when they fail
3. People in many towns grew supporting their club , and have watched their country team treat their players like crap , heard supposed England fans insult their players when playing for England , seen their players constantly get injured because sub stand managers are unable to treat the players right.
Some people need to understand that just because someone is English and a football fan doesn’t mean they automatically must support the national team . There are thousands of football fans around the country that will always be club first and foremost and that won’t change no matter how many teddies get thrown by people.
There is nothing more sanctimonious or pathetic than someone even hinting they aren’t “patriotic” because they don’t support the England football team when they are English.
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Whoa there fella, I've never said I was a patriotic English man.
Enjoying the England team fail isn't a crime.
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Absolutely agree about the patriotism statement, but I don’t still don’t get wanting or enjoying a National side failing.
I don’t watch or have no interest in many sports, but if a sportsmen or athlete are representing England in any sport then I want them to do well and succeed.
A lot of the points you raised happened 10-20 yrs back, most of those issues have been adressed and I’m yet to see any player agree with what you say and refuse to represent England, surely if they choose to accept a call up you’d want them to do well as that can only help in their Club performances as well as benefitting the Club in other ways.
I genuinely never hear this Club v Country argument in any other Sport from any other nationality.
Liverbirdie
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Well don't spout ignorant rubbish if you don't want to be corrected. I watch England every home game and a few aways and your comments are simply wrong.
Using your simple logic, I guess everyone was right to tarnish Liverpool fans with a bad rep for the minority in the 80's....(cue victim card being pulled)
Next time your in Liverpool look me up, lad. We're a very welcoming bunch.
Dont call me a victim one minute then try and banter with me another.
