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The Footie Thread

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Swango1980 said:
It is often impossible to tell the difference between a "tactical foul" and a lazy, mistimed tackle. Good luck giving out red cards for that. Even diving, sometimes it is hard to judge if a player has purely dived, or simply lost balance when a defender has come piling in. Contact might have been avoided, but the player may have been bracing themselves for a crunching impact, and ultimately prepared to fall over on their own terms to avoid injury.

However, even if there is subjectivity over what was in the player's mind, the ref can often get away with booking a player for a dive or a tactical foul, if they did so in his opinion. If, however, the punishment was a red card instead of a yellow, I think it would be less likely a ref would actually punish players. Suddenly, a potential dive or tactical foul becomes a huge incident, and I don't think a ref would ever give a red unless they absolutely 100% know the player has intentionally tried to con him.
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Yes but what about hacking someone down from behind no intention of going for the ball. Only yellow ??
I have always said that should be red!
Anything else it’s up to the ref he’s in charge (allegedly)
But if he did use his red card at least VAR could check he has got it correct where with yellow he can’t!
 
pauljames87 said:
The authorities don't care tho and that causes the issue

If Salah, sterling, Rooney back in day, Ronaldo etc would be banned for diving retrospective then it would get stamped out quickly

Only 2 players in the premier League have. Naisse of Everton and lanzini of West ham. Nobodies for teams not in the title race so no affect to the rest of the league

If Salah missed 3 games costing Liverpool the title you can bet sterling would be told cut it out
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I sort of agree, but, why is it always the authorities responsibility to sort it out? Yes they have a part to play, but surely the quickest way is for the players themselves to stop.

I’ve said it before and I know it’s not popular, but until you can take points off teams instead of fines etc the teams won’t take it serious.
 
Draw part 2

Red Bull Salzburg v Bayern Munich

Sporting Lisbon v Manchester City

Benfica v Ajax

Chelsea v Lille

Atletico Madrid v Manchester United

Villarreal v Juventus

Inter Milan v Liverpool

PSG v Real Madrid
 
pauldj42 said:
I sort of agree, but, why is it always the authorities responsibility to sort it out? Yes they have a part to play, but surely the quickest way is for the players themselves to stop.

I’ve said it before and I know it’s not popular, but until you can take points off teams instead of fines etc the teams won’t take it serious.
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But points would again be the authorities sorting out the issue

Only reason it falls on them is because people always look for a loophole or to gain advantage

Much like covid. If something isn't law a section of society won't follow advise .. it's just unfortunately human nature
 
pauljames87 said:
But points would again be the authorities sorting out the issue

Only reason it falls on them is because people always look for a loophole or to gain advantage

Much like covid. If something isn't law a section of society won't follow advise .. it's just unfortunately human nature
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So a joint effort? It’s no good the authorities (possibly full of blokes who never played at the top level) coming with unworkable options that the Refs are inconsistent in applying and the players behaviour doesn’t change.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Yes but what about hacking someone down from behind no intention of going for the ball. Only yellow ??
I have always said that should be red!
Anything else it’s up to the ref he’s in charge (allegedly)
But if he did use his red card at least VAR could check he has got it correct where with yellow he can’t!
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It happens rarely (that blatantly), but does on occasion. I have seen a red been given in that situation, especially if it causes the attacker to fall quite heavily (in comparison to a shirt tug which would typically be a yellow).

But, what if someone tugs someone's shirt, even when the attacker is still well within their own half. There is clearly no intent to win the ball, but would you give a red?

I think giving out harsher punishments can lead to unintended consequences. In any sport, where teams look for marginal gains, there is no doubt opposition players will try harder to get players sent off for such tame "tactical fouls". If red cards were given for niggly tactical fouls, and for dives / player goes down a bit easy, then you'd just have a game in which is less about football, and more about players shouting and screaming for the opposition to get punished (a direction the game has already gone in anyway).

Tactical fouls are certainly hard to judge. With the tactics Pep and Klopp play, their intention is to quickly close down opponents and unsettle their control of the ball. That will inevitable cause body contact. Sometimes they'll win the ball, sometimes they'll not and it will result in a foul. Some of these, or many of these incidents might be judged as tactical fouls, but I certainly wouldn't want straight red cards to be dished out. However, when you say "hacking down" an opponent, I take that to mean the type of sliding challenge that takes out an opponent in full flight. In that sense, I probably would be happy to give out red cards. I certainly have felt there have been occasions where a player has been lucky to get away with just a yellow.
 
Swango1980 said:
It happens rarely (that blatantly), but does on occasion. I have seen a red been given in that situation, especially if it causes the attacker to fall quite heavily (in comparison to a shirt tug which would typically be a yellow).

But, what if someone tugs someone's shirt, even when the attacker is still well within their own half. There is clearly no intent to win the ball, but would you give a red?

I think giving out harsher punishments can lead to unintended consequences. In any sport, where teams look for marginal gains, there is no doubt opposition players will try harder to get players sent off for such tame "tactical fouls". If red cards were given for niggly tactical fouls, and for dives / player goes down a bit easy, then you'd just have a game in which is less about football, and more about players shouting and screaming for the opposition to get punished (a direction the game has already gone in anyway).

Tactical fouls are certainly hard to judge. With the tactics Pep and Klopp play, their intention is to quickly close down e hind no attempt for the ball is red all day long for me.opponents and unsettle their control of the ball. That will inevitable cause body contact. Sometimes they'll win the ball, sometimes they'll not and it will result in a foul. Some of these, or many of these incidents might be judged as tactical fouls, but I certainly wouldn't want straight red cards to be dished out. However, when you say "hacking down" an opponent, I take that to mean the type of sliding challenge that takes out an opponent in full flight. In that sense, I probably would be happy to give out red cards. I certainly have felt there have been occasions where a player has been lucky to get away with just a yellow.
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Yes totally agree.
There are many ways to stop a counter attack tactical pulling shirts or obstruction is fine by me .
But hack someone down from behind is a red all day for me.
 
PSG v Real Madrid looks very tasty. Can see it being two feisty encounters. Can't see Man United getting anything out of Atletico and no doubt they will engage in the dark arts, especially at home to seize the initiative
 
Aubameyang stripped of the captaincy, supposedly for coming back late from a break. A big step from Arteta but it shows who is in charge. One for Arsenal fans, do you move him on in January, his form has dropped off a cliff and this suggests his attitude is off, or do you expect him to dig in to prove Arteta wrong?
 
Norwich v AVFC this evening

The Dean Smith derby

Should be 3 points and a W for the villa this.. but we will see! Footballs a funny old game!

UTV
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Aubameyang stripped of the captaincy, supposedly for coming back late from a break. A big step from Arteta but it shows who is in charge. One for Arsenal fans, do you move him on in January, his form has dropped off a cliff and this suggests his attitude is off, or do you expect him to dig in to prove Arteta wrong?
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He's misfiring badly and on a stupidly high salary.....Who'd have him.....?

I'd like him to step up and do what he's paid for, but somehow I think that is unlikely
 
need_my_wedge said:
He's misfiring badly and on a stupidly high salary.....Who'd have him.....?

I'd like him to step up and do what he's paid for, but somehow I think that is unlikely
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Am I right in thinking his contract is up at the end of the season? I guess you either suck it up until then or move him on, with you paying the bulk of his salary, just to get him away from the club.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Aubameyang stripped of the captaincy, supposedly for coming back late from a break. A big step from Arteta but it shows who is in charge. One for Arsenal fans, do you move him on in January, his form has dropped off a cliff and this suggests his attitude is off, or do you expect him to dig in to prove Arteta wrong?
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how is this a big step for Arteta? hardly Aubameyangs first "offence" and yet more inconsistency from Arteta and those above. Be nice if he could consistently apply his supposedly unbreakable rules but he clearly applies them differently for different players

as for moving Aubam on, if Barca are stupid enough...........

(any chance he takes the rest of the over 25s in the squad with him)
 
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