The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 16999]

I think the general feeling from match going Liverpool fans is they want Gerrard to earn the right to become Liverpool manager, just because he was a fantastic player and servant to the football club that doesnt mean he deserves the top job.

Unfortunately the SM fam are lapping it up, they're usually the 1st ones calling for mangers/players to go when the going gets tough.

Rightly or wrongly, Rangers should've expected this day imo. As soon as a well run PL club came in for him he was always going unfortunately.

I hope Villa stop up, a proper great club with a rich european pedigree.

Its not just the SM fam though Stu, it was mentioned on Sky Sports News and on some other media outlets.

No sympathy for Rangers or any Club if the manager decides to leave, we all know Clubs have very little loyalty the other way.

He’s English, so in the long run 15-20yrs he may have the experience or pedigree for the England job, other Countries have seen top players with their National side have success and we don’t seem to have very many quality English managers coming through, so doing a good job at Villa isn’t a bad thing.

But as I said I thought it was disrespectful to him and Villa to even mention Klopp or Lpool.

 

[Foxholer]

A question that should be answered honestly by those who 'expect' Gerrard to be a future, and likely long-term, Liverpool Manager!
How many top ex-players of a 'big club' have actually successfully managed their 'alma mater' club?

The current woes of ODS at Man U suggest the transition back to that completely different role is not particularly smooth! Lampard's experience at Chelsea wasn't great either!
Even Sir Alex never managed any of his (at least as far as I know), and was he a 'club great' player?. Klopp certainly seemed to have a pretty successful transition, but doesn't seem to have been a 'club great'! Scott Parker has potential (for West Ham) but is still 'learning the trade' at 'lower tier' clubs.

I'm not certain Gerrard will ever be a good enough Manager of a top 4-6 Premier League team, but a period at the likes of Aston Villa will certainly provide some beneficial experience!

 

[Blue in Munich]

That's a slightly strange one for me. Not sure what he offers that Farke didn't. Norwich look like they will be relegated this season and Farke has previously shown that he can get them promoted out of the Championship. Norwich seem to be one of those teams that are too good for the Championship but not good enough (or not willing to spend the amount of money required to be good enough) for the Premier League. The very definition of a yoyo team.

Game time for Billy Gilmour?

 

[Pin-seeker]

Wonder when the last time was that Stu posted something and didn’t get a “like” from Phil?

Stu will you please just take him to Anfield for the first time ?

 

[Blue in Munich]

A question that should be answered honestly by those who 'expect' Gerrard to be a future, and likely long-term, Liverpool Manager!
How many top ex-players of a 'big club' have actually successfully managed their 'alma mater' club?

The current woes of ODS at Man U suggest the transition back to that completely different role is not particularly smooth! Lampard's experience at Chelsea wasn't great either!
Even Sir Alex never managed any of his (at least as far as I know), and was he a 'club great' player?. Klopp certainly seemed to have a pretty successful transition, but doesn't seem to have been a 'club great'! Scott Parker has potential (for West Ham) but is still 'learning the trade' at 'lower tier' clubs.

I'm not certain Gerrard will ever be a good enough Manager of a top 4-6 Premier League team, but a period at the likes of Aston Villa will certainly provide some beneficial experience!

That had nothing to do with the fact that it was his old club, and everything to do with the fact that he wasn't ready for the job. As much as every Chelsea fan that I know wanted him to succeed, our heads never believed that he was going to succeed; hoped, but never believed. Add a transfer ban (which is probably why he was offered the job; who else would take it, who else knew the youth he'd have to work with?), and he was always going to struggle, but he'd have struggled at any Premier League club.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Its not just the SM fam though Stu, it was mentioned on Sky Sports News and on some other media outlets.

No sympathy for Rangers or any Club if the manager decides to leave, we all know Clubs have very little loyalty the other way.

He’s English, so in the long run 15-20yrs he may have the experience or pedigree for the England job, other Countries have seen top players with their National side have success and we don’t seem to have very many quality English managers coming through, so doing a good job at Villa isn’t a bad thing.

But as I said I thought it was disrespectful to him and Villa to even mention Klopp or Lpool.

Sky and the written media want Gerrard/Lampard etc in the top jobs. They’ll all be creaming themselves as its big news daily. With all the clicks, searches etc.

I agree, but are you surprised knowing how the British media work?

 

[4LEX]

I don't think people realise how good Villa's squad is or how ambitious the owners are. They'll be a genuine threat to 4th if Gerrard does as well I expect him to.

And Rangers fans have to accept he stopped Cletic winning 10 in a row, a few idiots on Facebook burning his shirt or punching stuff won't change that. He's left the club in a much better state than he found it.

 

[Beezerk]

I don't think people realise how good Villa's squad is or how ambitious the owners are. They'll be a genuine threat to 4th if Gerrard does as well I expect him to.

Wow, that's a hell of a statement. And here's me thinking Villa are pretty garbage ?

 

[hairball_89]

I'm unsure how I feel about Stevie and the big job at Anfield. Heart says it's where he belongs.

He was my absolute hero when I was growing up (after the shock of Michael Owen leaving wore off) but I don't want to see him brought to Anfield unless he has the best CV for the job. It's clear as day the most recent examples of this (OGS, lampard, Parker etc) didn't have the CV and skills to back up the appointment.

However, he knows above anyone else, I'm sure, that if he *doesn't* make the grade at Villa the Liverpool job definitely isn't coming. Anytime soon at least. Personally, right now I'd prefer Ljinders (Klopp's no2) to take over and Gerrard to earn the job after. But 2 1/2 years is a long time in football, so who knows what's going to happen!

 

[4LEX]

Wow, that's a hell of a statement. And here's me thinking Villa are pretty garbage ?

Villa have a really good side, or at least the spine of one. Smith was a Championship level manager who got found out. They were offering £60m for Smith-Rowe in the summer. They'll back Gerrard big time. Not saying they'll get 4th this season but in future years they'll be up there. Another great addition to the league

 

[Foxholer]

That had nothing to do with the fact that it was his old club, and everything to do with the fact that he wasn't ready for the job. As much as every Chelsea fan that I know wanted him to succeed, our heads never believed that he was going to succeed; hoped, but never believed. Add a transfer ban (which is probably why he was offered the job; who else would take it, who else knew the youth he'd have to work with?), and he was always going to struggle, but he'd have struggled at any Premier League club.

That's as may be, but my comment still stands!
The question that should have been asked was 'Why was he offered it/Why did he accept it?' Your final comment seems to confirm my view.
Btw...I agree with your summation (and believe you do with mine - albeit with a bit of 'fan invoked forgiveness' of both sides) ...He wasn't ready for that (huge) task and should never have considered it/been considered for it - which is a good part of the point I was making in the first place!

 

[Hogieefc]

A question that should be answered honestly by those who 'expect' Gerrard to be a future, and likely long-term, Liverpool Manager!
How many top ex-players of a 'big club' have actually successfully managed their 'alma mater' club?

The current woes of ODS at Man U suggest the transition back to that completely different role is not particularly smooth! Lampard's experience at Chelsea wasn't great either!
Even Sir Alex never managed any of his (at least as far as I know), and was he a 'club great' player?. Klopp certainly seemed to have a pretty successful transition, but doesn't seem to have been a 'club great'! Scott Parker has potential (for West Ham) but is still 'learning the trade' at 'lower tier' clubs.

I'm not certain Gerrard will ever be a good enough Manager of a top 4-6 Premier League team, but a period at the likes of Aston Villa will certainly provide some beneficial experience!

Howard Kendall did a half decent job at Everton

 

[Dando]

So Lampard managed Chelsea and now he's going to manage Norwich.

Gerrard managed Rangers and now he's managing Aston Villa.

Meanwhile Scholes is managing the length of his daughters toenails.

 

[Swango1980]

So Lampard managed Chelsea and now he's going to manage Norwich.

Gerrard managed Rangers and now he's managing Aston Villa.

Meanwhile Scholes is managing the length of his daughters toenails.

Not sure what this means. I guess we could continue it my saying Carragher is managing to control his spitting habits to when there are no cameras about .

 

[Swango1980]

Would I be correct in thinking there3 is quite a lot of excitement amongst Liverpool fans about the Gerrard situation? It seems that way from what I read. I guess, in the ideal world for Liverpool is that Gerrard takes over in 2024, and Liverpool win many Premier League titles and Champions League trophies. However, perfect rarely happens, and when you are at the top, probability wise the most likely direction is downwards.

As a Man Utd fan, as soon as Klopp leaves all the better, to me he is their single biggest asset. The way some discussions are going, there seems to almost be an expectation that Gerrard will be able to build on what Klopp has done. However, if it was me I think I'd be hoping and praying we could beg Klopp to stay for as long as possible. I know he'll have to go one day, but I'd want him at the club for as long as possible. Perhaps, unless, he becomes a Wenger and things become very stale for a few years, but he seems a long way from that.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Would I be correct in thinking there3 is quite a lot of excitement amongst Liverpool fans about the Gerrard situation? It seems that way from what I read. I guess, in the ideal world for Liverpool is that Gerrard takes over in 2024, and Liverpool win many Premier League titles and Champions League trophies. However, perfect rarely happens, and when you are at the top, probability wise the most likely direction is downwards.

As a Man Utd fan, as soon as Klopp leaves all the better, to me he is their single biggest asset. The way some discussions are going, there seems to almost be an expectation that Gerrard will be able to build on what Klopp has done. However, if it was me I think I'd be hoping and praying we could beg Klopp to stay for as long as possible. I know he'll have to go one day, but I'd want him at the club for as long as possible. Perhaps, unless, he becomes a Wenger and things become very stale for a few years, but he seems a long way from that.

No.

I’m certain whilst most liverpool fans would like Gerrard to do well for him personally, Gerrard needs to prove he can manage at the top level and compete in top European competition.

Just because he’s done well at Rangers and has now got the Villa job, that can’t be enough for him to take over from Klopp.

We’ve been there and done it, Souness as an example and even your situation now. There’s no room for sentiment in top level professional sport.

Klopps successor needs to have the right credentials.

 

[fundy]

No.

I’m certain whilst most liverpool fans would like Gerrard to do well for him personally, Gerrard needs to prove he can manage at the top level and compete in top European competition.

Just because he’s done well at Rangers and has now got the Villa job, that can’t be enough for him to take over from Klopp.

We’ve been there and done it, Souness as an example and even your situation now. There’s no room for sentiment in top level professional sport.

Klopps successor needs to have the right credentials.

having been a premier league midfielder in the last 10-20 years seems to be the main requirement these days, less so strikers

Viera, Arteta, Gerrard, Lampard now, whos next?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

having been a premier league midfielder in the last 10-20 years seems to be the main requirement these days, less so strikers

Viera, Arteta, Gerrard, Lampard now, whos next?

Kleberson? ???

 

[fundy]

Kleberson? ???

was hoping for Gazza at the toon lol

 

[Blue in Munich]

That's as may be, but my comment still stands!
The question that should have been asked was 'Why was he offered it/Why did he accept it?' Your final comment seems to confirm my view.
Btw...I agree with your summation (and believe you do with mine - albeit with a bit of 'fan invoked forgiveness' of both sides) ...He wasn't ready for that (huge) task and should never have considered it/been considered for it - which is a good part of the point I was making in the first place!

He was offered it because no other top name manager would take it with a transfer ban in place.

He took it because he wanted to manage Chelsea at some point & Roman Abramovich isn't the sort of man you turn down & expect a second invitation from.

And no, I don't think my comment confirms your view; your view appears to be that players never do well at their old club, presumably because it's their old club. My view is that Lampard, sadly, wasn't yet ready for the job at any Premiership club, let alone his old club.