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Swango1980 said:
For me, it's not how much you give HIM in isolation. Otherwise you will always have that dilemma for whatever manager you have.

They need to figure it out together. He had to have an input, as do the board, chief scouts, etc. If Amorim wants a striker, and the striker looks decent for a reasonable price, go for it. If he wants Darwin Nunez for £150 million, the board need to say no.

But, clearly we need goals. And we need characters, players we know will battle and not hide in games. So I hope they are not just looking at kids who look like they can do a few tricks. We are OK for defence generally, so I wouldn't be spending big there.
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He just seems to be so intent on one formation, one style of play. He will want players that fit that style, is the DoF etc fully onboard with that? You assume so but there must be some doubts after these last 25 odd games with no too much blue sky to see for it.

If you had a manager that was simply evolving the existing team and how it plays it would be less of an issue. You have taken a right turn with Amorim, it will be interesting to see how that works out
 
Lord Tyrion said:
He just seems to be so intent on one formation, one style of play. He will want players that fit that style, is the DoF etc fully onboard with that? You assume so but there must be some doubts after these last 25 odd games with no too much blue sky to see for it.

If you had a manager that was simply evolving the existing team and how it plays it would be less of an issue. You have taken a right turn with Amorim, it will be interesting to see how that works out
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If they get decent players and characters, I'm sure they are flexible enough to play under different managers.

As said earlier, people say Amorim doesn't have the types of players he needs for his system. He does, positionally wise anyway. They just aren't good enough, or strong enough. Any given game, you can be carrying 3 or 4 players minimum.

Bruno typically plays where he likes, so hard to know where he'll he. Our other no. 10's might be Amad or Garnacho, who often just tend to drift wide, probably cramp the wing back. Or we have a generally injured Mount, pensioner Eriksen or child Mainoo. Our right wing back can't attack, our left wing back can attack but has a poor final ball (Dorgu) or injured (Shaw).

I hoped Amorim would improve these players, but perhaps they truly need repetitions in pre season rather than figuring it out in games.

I would actually be happy buying technically average players if they have a big heart and can deal with adversity and lift their team mates. Albeit I'd still want a No. 9 that can score goals
 
4LEX said:
The thing is most well run clubs would look at their squad and hire someone to get the best out of them as the playing squad is the biggest asset. No idea why anyone would appoint someone who isn't suitable for the players you've got. It's a lot easier and cheaper to replace a manager than a dozen or more players.

It just makes no sense. Appointing a manager that doesn't play with wingers and plays with 5 defenders is against everything Busby and Ferguson stood for.
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That's the problem, we're not a well run club, we're an utter shambles.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
He just seems to be so intent on one formation, one style of play. He will want players that fit that style, is the DoF etc fully onboard with that? You assume so but there must be some doubts after these last 25 odd games with no too much blue sky to see for it.

If you had a manager that was simply evolving the existing team and how it plays it would be less of an issue. You have taken a right turn with Amorim, it will be interesting to see how that works out
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TBH, aren't most Utd fans wedded to the "Fergie" way?
Thats been the moan about every manager since he left.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
TBH, aren't most Utd fans wedded to the "Fergie" way?
Thats been the moan about every manager since he left.
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All I have ever wanted to see is entertaining football. I couldn’t care less what formation brings that about. I have said it here times, that I pay good money to be entertained, win, lose or draw. Not to be bored to death, frustrated or, worse still, downright angry.

I’ve felt every one of those emotions under every manager since Ferguson apart from Solskjaer.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
TBH, aren't most Utd fans wedded to the "Fergie" way?
Thats been the moan about every manager since he left.
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As sacrilegious as it is to say I wonder how much responsibility Fergie should take for the present position of United? He allowed the Glazers through the door with the falling out with JP McManus over Rock of Gibraltar. He defended the Glazers for all those years whilst he must have known that he was just papering over the cracks and that long term they weren’t good for the club.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
TBH, aren't most Utd fans wedded to the "Fergie" way?
Thats been the moan about every manager since he left.
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There wasn't really a Fergie way.

Sometimes they'd play high tempo attack. Sometimes they'd play slow and knock it around. Sometimes they'd sacrifice possession, defend robustly and hit on quick counter attacks.

I think these days, the problem is that people think there is only one way to play. Or every manager should only play one way, "their way"?

Utd fans are just like any other fan. We want to see players on the pitch with heart. Entertainment as well all being well. At least if players play with heart, it is easier to see where we are technically poor and need better players, whereas if they don't, they can occasionally fool you to show potential, but more often than not give you nothing as they don't turn up.
 
Swango1980 said:
There wasn't really a Fergie way.

Sometimes they'd play high tempo attack. Sometimes they'd play slow and knock it around. Sometimes they'd sacrifice possession, defend robustly and hit on quick counter attacks.

I think these days, the problem is that people think there is only one way to play. Or every manager should only play one way, "their way"?

Utd fans are just like any other fan. We want to see players on the pitch with heart. Entertainment as well all being well. At least if players play with heart, it is easier to see where we are technically poor and need better players, whereas if they don't, they can occasionally fool you to show potential, but more often than not give you nothing as they don't turn up.
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That isn't quite true though.

He managed over three different eras and made changes but generally Ferguson's teams were defined by wingers and having a physical midfield. He played two up front in 2/3 eras but switched to one up top when he ended up getting embarassed by Real in the CL in 2003. He only really played 451/4231 in big games from then on and it worked a treat.

Agree on there being more one to play which is why you need a manager who is comfortable playing with different formations. At the elite level you can't be a one trick pony. It makes it easier for the opposition to scout and predict what you'll do.
 
4LEX said:
That isn't quite true though.

He managed over three different eras and made changes but generally Ferguson's teams were defined by wingers and having a physical midfield. He played two up front in 2/3 eras but switched to one up top when he ended up getting embarassed by Real in the CL in 2003. He only really played 451/4231 in big games from then on and it worked a treat.

Agree on there being more one to play which is why you need a manager who is comfortable playing with different formations. At the elite level you can't be a one trick pony. It makes it easier for the opposition to scout and predict what you'll do.
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Your second paragraph is what I was getting at.

I wasn't implying he was random from game to game. He'd obviously have a general formation given the players he'd have at the time. There was the classic 4-4-2 in the early Premier League years. He'd then have a period with one up top. Then a time when there were the Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez front 3.

In other words, there wasn't simply a defined single Fergie Way. Then, outside the standard formations, he would then also play with different tempos depending on who the opposition where.

So, if someone says "do Utd fans want to play the Fergie way", it means very little. Unless they just mean "do Utd fans want to play exciting, successful football", then the answer would be yes.
 
4LEX said:
That isn't quite true though.

He managed over three different eras and made changes but generally Ferguson's teams were defined by wingers and having a physical midfield. He played two up front in 2/3 eras but switched to one up top when he ended up getting embarassed by Real in the CL in 2003. He only really played 451/4231 in big games from then on and it worked a treat.

Agree on there being more one to play which is why you need a manager who is comfortable playing with different formations. At the elite level you can't be a one trick pony. It makes it easier for the opposition to scout and predict what you'll do.
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Clearly applies to Ange as well. His 'tactics' have been absolutely shown up as nonsense, we got ripped apart by the likes of Palace and Ipswich. It seems like he needs Bissouma to be prime Rodri and stop all counter attacks on his own, but unfortunately Bissouma isn't Rodri. If we're going to keep bombing the wing backs forward with no defensive responsibility, then we either need two holding in midfield or three centre backs. As you say, the flexibility to do either would be nice.
 
Orikoru said:
Clearly applies to Ange as well. His 'tactics' have been absolutely shown up as nonsense, we got ripped apart by the likes of Palace and Ipswich. It seems like he needs Bissouma to be prime Rodri and stop all counter attacks on his own, but unfortunately Bissouma isn't Rodri. If we're going to keep bombing the wing backs forward with no defensive responsibility, then we either need two holding in midfield or three centre backs. As you say, the flexibility to do either would be nice.
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You have just won a major European trophy because the manager changed his tactics in the final

It’s the first trophy the club have won in 17 years

He has had some horrific injuries to deal

A team can only win one of 4 trophies in a season

And Spurs have won one of them

Maybe it’s time to be grateful and say thank you and then give him the chance next season
 
Arthur Wedge said:
You have just won a major European trophy because the manager changed his tactics in the final

It’s the first trophy the club have won in 17 years

He has had some horrific injuries to deal

A team can only win one of 4 trophies in a season

And Spurs have won one of them

Maybe it’s time to be grateful and say thank you and then give him the chance next season
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Exactly. Shame he never once tried it in the league when we were losing every week. Hopefully he learns something from that!

I've said many times, the injuries weren't just bad luck, we've consistently had injuries during his management due to his 'headless chicken' approach to the games. It asks too much of them, the only ones who got through unscathed were the likes of Gray and Bergvall who are 18/19.

Anyway, I've also said he has earned the right to have another chance next season - we just need to see big chances in his approach, otherwise he'll just be sacked by October anyway and it'll be another league campaign written off.
 
Arthur Wedge said:
You have just won a major European trophy because the manager changed his tactics in the final

It’s the first trophy the club have won in 17 years

He has had some horrific injuries to deal

A team can only win one of 4 trophies in a season

And Spurs have won one of them

Maybe it’s time to be grateful and say thank you and then give him the chance next season
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ARE YOU SERIOUS? :ROFLMAO:

Can we cope and paste some of your posts this time last year on ETH, after they won the FA Cup ;)
 
Swango1980 said:
ARE YOU SERIOUS? :ROFLMAO:

Can we cope and paste some of your posts this time last year on ETH, after they won the FA Cup ;)
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Did the FA cup come with the added bonus of CL football to give a team a platform

Winning the FA Cup for Man Utd is small fry

Winning the Europa is massive for Spurs

Unless you feel that winning the FA Cup is the standard for a Man Utd manager now ?

Is the drop off that big now for the club the expectations are domestic cup comps ?
 
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