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Arthur Wedge said:
Potentially- but Van Nistelrooy was never the answer and I wonder if they reacted based on a couple wins he had whilst caretaker
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They were, Phil. My wife is a Leicester fan so I have been subjected to a lot of their games this season, and under Cooper they were dreadful. Really poor.

The owner had a decision to make. Go down, which they absolutely would have done playing the bilge they were under Steve Cooper, or make a change. Van Nistelrooy was an odd one as he is unproven in this league, and certainly managing a side like Leicester. But they had to roll the dice.

It hasn’t worked, but they had to try something.
 
Billysboots said:
They were, Phil. My wife is a Leicester fan so I have been subjected to a lot of their games this season, and under Cooper they were dreadful. Really poor.

The owner had a decision to make. Go down, which they absolutely would have done playing the bilge they were under Steve Cooper, or make a change. Van Nistelrooy was an odd one as he is unproven in this league, and certainly managing a side like Leicester. But they had to roll the dice.

It hasn’t worked, but they had to try something.
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Obviously I wasn’t particularly watching Leicester games closely. But I never understood this viewpoint about them doing badly under Cooper.

When he was sacked, they were two places above the relegation zone. If memory serves, they had generally won the games which as a newly promoted side they should have targeted as potential wins. And lost the games they were likely to. (Generally).

What more, exactly, did Leicester fans and the board expect or want? Newly promoted sides just aren’t going to be able to play beautiful football and get results with it. Ask Burnley fans. At best, it’s going to be scrappy backs to the wall kind of stuff with the odd s***housed three points here and there.

In our first season in the Prem under Cooper, we had to put up with some absolute dross. At the same point in the season that he was sacked while in 16th with Leicester, we were rock bottom. But we stuck with him and he bloody well got the job done. I genuinely believe he could have done the same with Leicester if he’d been given the chance (and if Albert Steptoe hadn’t led a player revolt, if you believe the reports). Coops had taken the job when nobody else would have touched it with a ten foot barge pole, given the fact they were facing a possible points deduction at the time. But because of where he’d been before, fans (and possibly certain players) were against him from the start.

Leicester see us as their rivals but we generally aren’t as fussed about them as they are about us. But after their treatment of Cooper, their current predicament is hilarious to behold and I have absolute zero sympathy for them.
 
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In other news, Gibbs-White has now been called up to the England squad due to injury to another player.

Thank goodness that player is Cole Palmer, and not 34 year old star of the Eredivisie Jordan Henderson, who has started 2 out of the last 9 games that Ajax have played. 👍👍👍
 
Don Barzini said:
Obviously I wasn’t particularly watching Leicester games closely. But I never understood this viewpoint about them doing badly under Cooper.

When he was sacked, they were two places above the relegation zone. If memory serves, they had generally won the games which as a newly promoted side they should have targeted as potential wins. And lost the games they were likely to. (Generally).

What more, exactly, did Leicester fans and the board expect or want? Newly promoted sides just aren’t going to be able to play beautiful football and get results with it. Ask Burnley fans. At best, it’s going to be scrappy backs to the wall kind of stuff with the odd s***housed three points here and there.

In our first season in the Prem under Cooper, we had to put up with some absolute dross. At the same point in the season that he was sacked while in 16th with Leicester, we were rock bottom. But we stuck with him and he bloody well got the job done. I genuinely believe he could have done the same with Leicester if he’d been given the chance (and if Albert Steptoe hadn’t led a player revolt, if you believe the reports). Coops had taken the job when nobody else would have touched it with a ten foot barge pole, given the fact they were facing a possible points deduction at the time. But because of where he’d been before, fans (and possibly certain players) were against him from the start.

Leicester see us as their rivals but we generally aren’t as fussed about them as they are about us. But after their treatment of Cooper, their current predicament is hilarious to behold and I have absolute zero sympathy for them.
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As you say, you didn’t watch them.

There’s dross and there’s a style of football which will not see a team survive in this league. Leicester were very much in the latter category, so whilst they had a few points on the board, the owners were firmly of the view that change was needed.

As I say, they rolled the dice and it hasn’t worked. But at least, rather than sleepwalking into the Championship, the club tried to do something about it.
 
Billysboots said:
As you say, you didn’t watch them.

There’s dross and there’s a style of football which will not see a team survive in this league. Leicester were very much in the latter category, so whilst they had a few points on the board, the owners were firmly of the view that change was needed.

As I say, they rolled the dice and it hasn’t worked. But at least, rather than sleepwalking into the Championship, the club tried to do something about it.
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Leicester's chances of survival diminished the moment that they sacked Cooper and appointed van Nistelrooy.

I am not a Leicester fan but have lived here for 45 years and the attitude of their supporters has often left me bemused.

When they were promoted back to the PL last year many of them seemed to believe that they would immediately return to the level of 2016 playing the same style of counter attacking football that had previously brought success.

This completely overlooked the fact that through several managers the players and this the tactics had completely changed .

No amount of reasoning could convince some that initially it was going to have to be more Pearson than Ranieri.

These unrealistic ambitions placed undue pressure on the owners who reacted by ditching the manager who might, given time and resources, have established them back in the top league and replaced him with "a name" who, sadly, seems totally unable to prevent the immediate return to the Championship.

And now there appears to be a small but growing element of the support that wants the owners to move on.

"Unbelievable Jeff!"
 
Billysboots said:
As you say, you didn’t watch them.

There’s dross and there’s a style of football which will not see a team survive in this league. Leicester were very much in the latter category, so whilst they had a few points on the board, the owners were firmly of the view that change was needed.

As I say, they rolled the dice and it hasn’t worked. But at least, rather than sleepwalking into the Championship, the club tried to do something about it.
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Of the games I did watch of Leicester’s they played exactly the same as we did under Cooper in our first season. Horrible, backs to the wall, cling on to a lead with your lives type of stuff, but which ultimately led to our survival. And he had a much tougher gig at Forest, given the fact that he did it with a hastily assembled squad. I’ve just looked back at the results of the games he was in charge for at Leicester and it reads like survival/clinging on form for a newly promoted side to the PL.

But apparently that wasn’t good enough for the entitled fans and board of Leicester, because the football wasn’t nice. So I guess the important thing at this point is that the fans are happy and accepting of the fact that they are failing spectacularly under RVN, but didn’t find better results acceptable under Cooper. So all’s well that ends well. 🤷‍♂️

RVN was a good player for a big club though. So his utter failure will be overlooked and he’ll walk into a top European job, just like Kompany did.
 
Don Barzini said:
In other news, Gibbs-White has now been called up to the England squad due to injury to another player.

Thank goodness that player is Cole Palmer, and not 34 year old star of the Eredivisie Jordan Henderson, who has started 2 out of the last 9 games that Ajax have played. 👍👍👍
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Yes dosnt exactly fill me with hope Tuchel will win anything.!
Some very strange picks.
 
Garth Crooks was defending the Henderson decision, as he said many teams will select players for their experience and what they bring to the camp. I mean, Henderson is no Modric or Ronaldo. England are playing Albania and Latvia. And England already have Pickford, Walker, Bellingham, Rice and Kane. Crook's argument seems ridiculous.

Also, is it normal for international squads to be named with 4 goalkeepers? I've just randomly checked out other national squads (Netherlands, Croatia, France, Germany and Spain), and they all have 3 keepers. Is Ramsdale worth the call up ahead of Gibbs White (original squad). Ramsdale's career looks to be going backwards. Not seen how he has played at Southampton, but it can't be good for your confidence when you are the goalkeeper who is playing for the worst (possibly) football side the Premier League has ever seen
 
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