The Footie Thread

[Arthur Wedge]

Na, I can't ever think fans would stoop that low. Otherwise Liverpool keepers would get nicknames such as "Calamity James"

The perfect example - solid gk , who had his errors and was ripped for them

 

[PaulMdj]

Can’t recall Pickford getting too much here, despite his occasional blunder.

I’m not being over sensitive, I was making a point. This season especially, Onana hasn’t done a great deal wrong. He has been one of United’s more reliable performers, pulling off some top class saves. And yet one, possibly two errors at the weekend, and all of a sudden the De Gea debate ignites again on these pages, primarily amongst those who only watch the edited highlights. He had a bad game. It happens.

Interestingly, one of the issues he has been criticised for is his positioning, especially an apparent reluctance to leave his line and narrow angles. On MOTD after the Forest game, Shay Given commented that many keepers in the modern game are trained to do that, to give them more time to react. I’m not sure I would agree that’s necessarily the way to go, but if that is a product of coaching, then it seems rather unfair to single Onana out for it.

De Gea has long gone. The debate surrounding whether United should have got rid of him for Onana has long been done to death. But I don’t doubt it will rear its head again here if and when he drops another clanger. Which, being a keeper, he absolutely will. Even the best do it.

Pickford gets questioned everytime the England squad is announced, pictures of T’Rex’s posted etc.

Even you Utd fans have questioned Onana and stated he’d improve, which he has.

Fact is Keeper mistakes are highlighted because they inevitably lead to conceding a goal.

You are still, despite form, one of the biggest Clubs in the World and opposition fans take delight in highlighting problems.

Look at the stick Nunez is getting despite LPool being top of the PL, still in Caraboa, CL etc

You may not be involved, but the stick get’s thrown at every Club on here and Onana would be highlighted if he played for Lpool/Arsenal/City or any other big Club by someone.

 

[Swango1980]

I thought the money in football was crazy.

Then I read on the BBC website that in Major League Baseball, Juan Soto has just signed a £600 million deal with the New York Mets. That is a lot of money for playing Rounders

 

[GB72]

I thought the money in football was crazy.

Then I read on the BBC website that in Major League Baseball, Juan Soto has just signed a £600 million deal with the New York Mets. That is a lot of money for playing Rounders

Thing is, that is a 15 year deal and according to my very poor maths, that is about £770k a week. Some of the footballers who went to Saudi were on that and some in the Premiership cannot be far off.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Thing is, that is a 15 year deal and according to my very poor maths, that is about £770k a week. Some of the footballers who went to Saudi were on that and some in the Premiership cannot be far off.

No one in the prem is on anywhere near that.

 

[GB72]

No one in the prem is on anywhere near that.

You honestly surprise me. I would have thought there would be some in the £500-£600 k bracket

 

[Swango1980]

Thing is, that is a 15 year deal and according to my very poor maths, that is about £770k a week. Some of the footballers who went to Saudi were on that and some in the Premiership cannot be far off.

If you can get a deal, £770k a week for the next 15 years (until you are 41), then I reckon that is a better deal than even a 5 year deal at £770k a week and no guarantee what happens the 10 years after that.

I suppose it is difficult to compare any salary to what you get in Saudi Arabia, because we know they pay way more than what the sport actually brings in. But, if you compare it to the salary football clubs pay based on what money they actually bring in, it is much higher.

The only downside of agreeing a £770k 15 year salary is that inflation will make it less valuable as time goes on. But, I'd be prepared to take the risk if someone offered me that money for 15 years today

 

[Swango1980]

You honestly surprise me. I would have thought there would be some in the £500-£600 k bracket

I think De Bruyne is highest, £400k per week

 

[GB72]

If you can get a deal, £770k a week for the next 15 years (until you are 41), then I reckon that is a better deal than even a 5 year deal at £770k a week and no guarantee what happens the 10 years after that.

I suppose it is difficult to compare any salary to what you get in Saudi Arabia, because we know they pay way more than what the sport actually brings in. But, if you compare it to the salary football clubs pay based on what money they actually bring in, it is much higher.

The only downside of agreeing a £770k 15 year salary is that inflation will make it less valuable as time goes on. But, I'd be prepared to take the risk if someone offered me that money for 15 years today

Some of these deals are even spread beyond the end of the playing career to lower the up front cost.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

You honestly surprise me. I would have thought there would be some in the £500-£600 k bracket

Believe the highest paid in the Prem in Haaland at £500k , then KDB at £400k and Salah at £350k

But that doesn’t include add ons

 

[Swango1980]

Believe the highest paid in the Prem in Haaland at £500k , then KDB at £400k and Salah at £350k

But that doesn’t include add ons

Do you have a website with the most reliable player salaries. Pretty much every site I've gone to (top of the Google search list) seem to have De Bruyne on £400,000 and salah on £350,000 (as you say) but Haaland on £375,000 a week

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Do you have a website with the most reliable player salaries. Pretty much every site I've gone to (top of the Google search list) seem to have De Bruyne on £400,000 and salah on £350,000 (as you say) but Haaland on £375,000 a week

Looks like you’re right

The £500k for Haaland that was reported includes some add ons - basic in £375k

2024 EPL Rankings

Listing the top salaries, cap hits, cash, earnings, contracts, and bonuses, for all active EPL players.

www.spotrac.com

These seem to be spot on

 

[Swango1980]

Looks like you’re right

The £500k for Haaland that was reported includes some add ons - basic in £375k

2024 EPL Rankings

Listing the top salaries, cap hits, cash, earnings, contracts, and bonuses, for all active EPL players.

www.spotrac.com

These seem to be spot on

He might be less humble this season, as his add-ons might not be so lucrative

 

[Bunkermagnet]

By comparing wages across different sports or different leagues is always skewed as some countries have different rules on it. The PL wages are pre tax. The La Liga wages are post tax.

 

[GB72]

By comparing wages across different sports or different leagues is always skewed as some countries have different rules on it. The PL wages are pre tax. The La Liga wages are post tax.

Also I have no idea what is included in these deals. They may include or exclude image rights, there may be performance bonuses etc but I think, on average, it is not far wrong to claim the the top Premiership footballers are not far off the elite contracts given in the states to generational talents.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Also I have no idea what is included in these deals. They may include or exclude image rights, there may be performance bonuses etc but I think, on average, it is not far wrong to claim the the top Premiership footballers are not far off the elite contracts given in the states to generational talents.

It’s prob fair to say that the top players can prob double their weekly wage with multiple incentives , bonuses and media rights etc

Likes of Salah etc will prob be getting close to £1m a week which with signing on fees etc won’t be far off the top US sport earners

 

[PJ87]

There is no point in judging the Onana signing by then blaming other bad signings because of it. As you pointed out at the end, Antony was signed a year before Onana, so Utd didn't sign Onana simply to free up funds for Antony.

We all know Utd have made many bad signings. Most big clubs with a lot of money to spend, who then play poorly, are going to have flops. And most agree that Antony is right up there at the top of the pile.

I'm not sure how we could have got Kane on a freebie, when he signed for Bayern for £100 million. Unless it has been confirmed he would have waited at Spurs until the end of his contract if Utd confirmed they wanted him, and because they didn't he went to Bayern?

Lol I'm having a mair today memory wise I thought Kane left for free lol

Still think him and rice would have transformed you instead of holand and onana

 

[Orikoru]

Lol I'm having a mair today memory wise I thought Kane left for free lol

Still think him and rice would have transformed you instead of holand and onana

It's not like United couldn't have afforded him. But I don't believe he would have gone there. He wanted to win trophies and they were in worse shape than us at the time. Bayern move made sense - obviously didn't work out as anyone expected in the first season, but they'll win the league this time and he'll finally get his trophy.

 

[Swango1980]

Lol I'm having a mair today memory wise I thought Kane left for free lol

Still think him and rice would have transformed you instead of holand and onana

Kane and Rice are players I would have loved to see at United, but that is minimum of £200 million for 2 players. £100 million for Rice would have been better value than what we paid for Casemiro. But, maybe Rice didn't want to go to United, especially as people suggest he likes being in London.

I liked the Hojlund purchase (as a player), but again Utd go and spend silly money. They basically pay £64 million, but that pretty much takes into account much of the potential he was predicted to have. I don't see the point in paying a fee based on almost full potential, because the odds are usually going to work against you, given many players don't reach that potential. I'd have though a more reasonable fee would have been somewhere around £30-40 million. Atalanta bought him for 17 million Euro the year before, so they'd still be making a decent return. And, if they were not willing to part for that money, then there must have been other options around the world, if you were simply looking for young players with potential? There is almost no doubt Kane would have been a much better player, ready to fit in and score lots of goals. But Levy may have asked £150 million from Man Utd, and then you are paying that amount for a guy who was around 30

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Lol I'm having a mair today memory wise I thought Kane left for free lol

Still think him and rice would have transformed you instead of holand and onana

I don’t think Kane or Rice would have gone to Man Utd