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It seems like implementing FFP is a bit of a disaster. How does a club literally just get a 10 point reduction for being guilty of one charge, and then almost immediately charged again for another breach!???? Has this latest one only just come to light? Just feels like an absolute mess.

Maybe the Premier League should have just charged Man City one case at a time. Give them a 10 point deduction for one breach, and then charge them for another breach once that is done.
 
Swango1980 said:
It seems like implementing FFP is a bit of a disaster. How does a club literally just get a 10 point reduction for being guilty of one charge, and then almost immediately charged again for another breach!???? Has this latest one only just come to light? Just feels like an absolute mess.

Maybe the Premier League should have just charged Man City one case at a time. Give them a 10 point deduction for one breach, and then charge them for another breach once that is done.
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That’s if they are guilty. Innocent until proven guilty.
 
rudebhoy said:
"Both clubs have been referred to an independent commission for alleged breaches of profit and sustainability rules in their accounts for 2022-23."
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In some way it’s good to see something is happening when it comes to financial sustainability , Everton were never going to meet those limits but they will now.

Unfortunately it’s seems like going for the easy targets

But it’s going to take time to go through all of Man City’s charges and if they follow the same hard line then City could well find themselves in a bit of a pickle - UEFA loopholes allowed them to get away with when it came to the UEFA charges but those loopholes don’t exist in the Prem

I have always been in the believe that there should be spending limits and salary caps and that’s across the whole of Europe - it should be a sporting contest not the richest owner contest
 
Liverpoolphil said:
ETH has brought in 16 players at a cost of £400mil - if he can’t get a tune out of the players he bought in what can he do

Most of the tools at his disposal have come in under him

If he was in his first season then you could point to his players needing time to get a style formulated but it’s 18 months , if they can’t get it sorted now then how much longer does he need and how many more signings will it take

Last season it’s potentially looking like a bit of a lucky one with other teams playing poorly to allow Utd to get into the top 4 - has it masked that he just isn’t good enough
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Why do you believe ETH signs players?
 
rudebhoy said:

Everton and Nottingham Forest charged with breaking financial rules by Premier League​


www.bbc.co.uk

Everton and Nottingham Forest charged with breaking financial rules by Premier League

The Premier League charges Everton and Nottingham Forest with breaking their profit and sustainability rules.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

I take it these are new, additional charges?
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These things work in a 3yr cycle. The reality is most of this charge relates to the period that we have already been found guilty of. It's cock eyed. As we were working on the basis of the ground build and interest payments not being applicable, we were bound to fail this one as well as the last one.

We will be okay next year, things have changed. It's whether they take that into account, or whether they acknowledge the daftness of being charged with largely the same set of accounts as the first problem.

In answer to your question, they are a new set of charges. Similar info, just shuffle everything 1yr on.
 
rudebhoy said:
"Both clubs have been referred to an independent commission for alleged breaches of profit and sustainability rules in their accounts for 2022-23."
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The fact both clubs a very much still around suggests the sustainability isn’t an issue. Seems a bit harsh to me.

I’d rather see caps on spending and some form of draft picks akin to American football. Might even stop clubs ending up getting way too big for the league they’re in.
 
Could be an interesting end of the season.

Quote from the BBC.

These new Premier League cases have to be heard by 8 April, although given that is a Monday, they are likely to be concluded the previous week.

But Everton’s case can’t be heard until their appeal against a 10-point deduction by a previous commission has been determined. That is likely to be the end of February or beginning of March.

On 8 April, there will still be six full Premier League match rounds to play, with the possibility of some re-arranged games, meaning it’s highly likely the relegation places will not have been decided.

So any decision that ends in a points deduction is virtually certain to be subject to an appeal, even as a pre-emptive strike by the clubs. And that brings the potential for chaos as there is no guarantee any appeal would be heard before the final games of the campaign on 19 May.

Those final day fixtures… Burnley v Forest and Arsenal v Everton.

In terms of actually playing matches, that is when the season ends. But in terms of regulation, the 2023-24 season remains ‘live’ until the annual general meeting in June when the relegated clubs transfer their certificates. It is this point at which everything has to be determined.
 
Algeria have just "scored" one of the best disallowed goals you will ever see.

Ball over the top of the defence, striker running through, twists, takes the ball on his chest (before it had bounced) with his back to goal and bicycle kicks it in from the penalty spot...and it was the cleanest sweetest overhead kick you will ever see.

Real shame but he was just about half a stride ahead of the last man when the ball was played.

Same player had already scored an outside the boot volley.

Both defenses all over the place but Angola look like rabbits in headlights when they get in goalscoring positions.
 
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Tashyboy said:
Could be an interesting end of the season.

Quote from the BBC.

These new Premier League cases have to be heard by 8 April, although given that is a Monday, they are likely to be concluded the previous week.

But Everton’s case can’t be heard until their appeal against a 10-point deduction by a previous commission has been determined. That is likely to be the end of February or beginning of March.

On 8 April, there will still be six full Premier League match rounds to play, with the possibility of some re-arranged games, meaning it’s highly likely the relegation places will not have been decided.

So any decision that ends in a points deduction is virtually certain to be subject to an appeal, even as a pre-emptive strike by the clubs. And that brings the potential for chaos as there is no guarantee any appeal would be heard before the final games of the campaign on 19 May.

Those final day fixtures… Burnley v Forest and Arsenal v Everton.

In terms of actually playing matches, that is when the season ends. But in terms of regulation, the 2023-24 season remains ‘live’ until the annual general meeting in June when the relegated clubs transfer their certificates. It is this point at which everything has to be determined.
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Well that gives them plenty of time to sort the charges against City out!😊

Thats if they want to mind???
 
clubchamp98 said:
Well that gives them plenty of time to sort the charges against City out!😊

Thats if they want to mind???
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Reading on a few City pages re City are confident of winning re the charges. 2 or 3 I would agree with but 115. That said I find it interesting that FFP is changing 😳 why?
 
Tashyboy said:
Reading on a few City pages re City are confident of winning re the charges. 2 or 3 I would agree with but 115. That said I find it interesting that FFP is changing 😳 why?
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I believe we are aligning to UEFA's version of FFP. For some reason, the PL decided to do their own thing initially. I couldn't tell you if that is any better, I am cynical of the whole thing.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I believe we are aligning to UEFA's version of FFP. For some reason, the PL decided to do their own thing initially. I couldn't tell you if that is any better, I am cynical of the whole thing.
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a lot of it is aligned - the difference with the Prem League is there is no “time barred” which is what helped Man City out in regards the UEFA charges

They delayed and delayed the whole process and managed to find a loophole that by the time UEFA came to sorting it out the time limit on a number of charges were out

Hence why they were still found guilty but managed to lawyer themselves their way around it and there were some charges that were unproven as well

With the Prem charges it’s gone independent- so there is no CAS for them to appeal against

It’s potentially massive for the league - if City go unpunished then the whole integrity of the league will be questioned and that will open the floodgates for many others to just ignore any spending rules
 
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