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The Footie Thread

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RedEyes said:
I agree to a certain extent, Ayew stopped a promising attack though so I can see why he was booked, but refereeing in the PL at the minute is diabolical. Jota was sent off against Spurs for two yellows and he didn't actually make contact with either player in either of the challenges, the first one the Spurs player tripped himself up!
The farce of playing on for 2 minutes and then giving Palace a penalty yesterday is another example of the game being re-refereed by VAR, exactly the same thing happened to Jesus in the Arsenal game, no penalty.
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Yes it’s a joke.
Playing on for that long isn’t really a problem if they get the call right. ( debatable).

But in the Liverpool Spurs game after the shocking offside mistake VAR said they could not stop the game!
The only difference was play was restarted by a free kick that Spurs should not have had and was a clear and obvious error.
The very thing VAR was brought in to stop.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The Net spend under the new regime is £255m, give or take a few quid. £55m of that is on a lad they can't use for 12 months due to a betting suspension.

Effectively then, £200m to get a team equivalent to Sheff Utd right now, into the CL, cup later stages, final last year, QF this year so far, and upper echelons of the league with plenty of games to go. All of this whilst having a minor blip with 10 out of 25 players out. You think that is nonsense, 🤣 🤣 🤣

Your second paragraph is giving you away. If you dislike Newcastle because of their owners, that is one thing. Criticising them for not having a stellar squad after 2 years of FFP restricted investment.............
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I guess some people are just blinkered with hate :)

Perhaps Newcastle just have just splashed the cash, it leads to guaranteed success. You only have to look at how amazing Man Utd and Chelsea are right now to see how good they've become :)

Personally, I'd be happy with a slower and structured way of building up a great squad. Get people that know what they are talking about, building confidence and trust when they make good decisions, learn from bad decisions before they get out of control and hopefully success will come. I don't think anyone should be judging Newcastle too harshly now, unless maybe they were facing a true disaster of relegation. 4 or 5 years down the line we'd be in a better position to see if they are trending in the right direction.

So many people expect instant improvement. They expect it to be completely linear. It took me 4 or 5 years to go from a 20 handicap to single figures. That whole time I was getting better and better. But, clearly, I had many shocking rounds within that period as well, and shocking spells consisting of several rounds. Yet I was still improving as a golfer over the longer period.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Yes it’s a joke.
Playing on for that long isn’t really a problem if they get the call right. ( debatable).

But in the Liverpool Spurs game after the shocking offside mistake VAR said they could not stop the game!
The only difference was play was restarted by a free kick that Spurs should not have had and was a clear and obvious error.
The very thing VAR was brought in to stop.
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VAR was brought in to stop clear and obvious errors by the onfield officials.

VAR was not brought in to stop clear and obvious errors made by VAR itself :)

Obviously that situation was very different to the ones we are talking about this weekend, as it was a crazy breakdown in communication and then an issue with protocol. And that was correct, there was no protocol to fix the mess they made back then. I'm not sure if there is now?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The Net spend under the new regime is £255m, give or take a few quid. £55m of that is on a lad they can't use for 12 months due to a betting suspension.

Effectively then, £200m to get a team equivalent to Sheff Utd right now, into the CL, cup later stages, final last year, QF this year so far, and upper echelons of the league with plenty of games to go. All of this whilst having a minor blip with 10 out of 25 players out. You think that is nonsense, 🤣 🤣 🤣

Your second paragraph is giving you away. If you dislike Newcastle because of their owners, that is one thing. Criticising them for not having a stellar squad after 2 years of FFP restricted investment.............
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Their net spend is £350m under PIF give or take pennies. My apologies for inflating that to circa £400m, I had seen it in euro and was tired last night after a long day.

£350m (net) is more than enough to supplement the squad they already had (notice how many of the players they already had pre-PFI are still there) and get a deep enough U21 squad to assist at times like this.

My hatred for their owners doesn’t alter how I feel about messing up the football side of how they run things. I’m also not singling out Newcastle. I also want Man City, Chelsea and all other clubs being funded by human rights abusers to fail so their sportswashing campaigns aren’t effective.
 
TimShady said:
Their net spend is £350m under PIF give or take pennies. My apologies for inflating that to circa £400m, I had seen it in euro and was tired last night after a long day.

£350m (net) is more than enough to supplement the squad they already had (notice how many of the players they already had pre-PFI are still there) and get a deep enough U21 squad to assist at times like this.

My hatred for their owners doesn’t alter how I feel about messing up the football side of how they run things. I’m also not singling out Newcastle. I also want Man City, Chelsea and all other clubs being funded by human rights abusers to fail so their sportswashing campaigns aren’t effective.
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Newcastle were horrendous before the new owners came in, or that is how I remember them. Spending £350 million (net) in this day and age doesn't guarantee a really poor PL club becoming a really top PL club, also competing in Champions League.

Players they've got in that cost money (I'll quote in Euro as that is what I'm viewing them in) are:

Isak (70), Tonali (64), Gordon (45.6), Barnes (44), Guimaraes (42.1), Livamento (37.2), Botman (37), Wood (30), Willcock (29.4) Targett (17.5), Burn (15), Trippier (14), Pope (11.5), Minteh (8), Ashby (3.4), Kuol (0.35)

Players they've sold are:

Saint-Maximin (27.2), Wood (17), Shelvey (6.5) Darlow (0.4)

So, of the 16 plyaers that Newcastle have brought in (for money), they seem to have had a great success rate as most of those players have generally considered to have done very well. Maybe with the exception of Wood, and Tonali obviously had his issues off the pitch. They also didn't seem to have a wealth of talent at the club before the owners came, hence they've not got rid of players for a shed load of money.

What more would you expect from the money they spent? I suspect most signings were done for a decent price, especially to a club where selling clubs know the owners are mega rich. Brought in 16 players, how many should it have been (bearing in mind I'm sure they've had free transfers and youngsters come in as well)? If they were to spend the same budget, which players should they have not brought in, so that they could bring in multiple other players at the same cost?
 
Swango1980 said:
Newcastle were horrendous before the new owners came in, or that is how I remember them. Spending £350 million (net) in this day and age doesn't guarantee a really poor PL club becoming a really top PL club, also competing in Champions League.

Players they've got in that cost money (I'll quote in Euro as that is what I'm viewing them in) are:

Isak (70), Tonali (64), Gordon (45.6), Barnes (44), Guimaraes (42.1), Livamento (37.2), Botman (37), Wood (30), Willcock (29.4) Targett (17.5), Burn (15), Trippier (14), Pope (11.5), Minteh (8), Ashby (3.4), Kuol (0.35)

Players they've sold are:

Saint-Maximin (27.2), Wood (17), Shelvey (6.5) Darlow (0.4)

So, of the 16 plyaers that Newcastle have brought in (for money), they seem to have had a great success rate as most of those players have generally considered to have done very well. Maybe with the exception of Wood, and Tonali obviously had his issues off the pitch. They also didn't seem to have a wealth of talent at the club before the owners came, hence they've not got rid of players for a shed load of money.

What more would you expect from the money they spent? I suspect most signings were done for a decent price, especially to a club where selling clubs know the owners are mega rich. Brought in 16 players, how many should it have been (bearing in mind I'm sure they've had free transfers and youngsters come in as well)? If they were to spend the same budget, which players should they have not brought in, so that they could bring in multiple other players at the same cost?
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Basically every transfer they’ve done there is over priced even on going rates. It’s superb to see them getting fleeced but then this money is nothing to them. But now they’re paying the price (pun not intended) for not being better with their mass wealth. Sadly it’s to the detriment of some of their players (Lascelles a prime example of someone who clearly isn’t fit enough) but then they choose to play for these lowlifes.
 
TimShady said:
Basically every transfer they’ve done there is over priced even on going rates. It’s superb to see them getting fleeced but then this money is nothing to them. But now they’re paying the price (pun not intended) for not being better with their mass wealth. Sadly it’s to the detriment of some of their players (Lascelles a prime example of someone who clearly isn’t fit enough) but then they choose to play for these lowlifes.
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I don't think a single transfer there is overpriced in todays market to be honest.

A proven premier league CM is now worth 50m starting price.

The only player who came at significant cost who is yet to prove their worth IMO is Barnes.
 
Bdill93 said:
I don't think a single transfer there is overpriced in todays market to be honest.

A proven premier league CM is now worth 50m starting price.

The only player who came at significant cost who is yet to prove their worth IMO is Barnes.
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Obviously that part is subjective but they paid big club prices despite being a relative small fish in terms of stature in my opinion.
 
TimShady said:
Obviously that part is subjective but they paid big club prices despite being a relative small fish in terms of stature in my opinion.
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If you want to play amongst the big boys, you have to have the players to compete. That means paying higher fees. Should they only buy mediocre players because they are 'small fish'?

Anyway, I suspect they could sell many of those players at a profit now, or break even at worse. Lots of successes in that list.

Let's face it, still nothing compared to what Utd or Chelsea have paid recently for what are largely looking like mistakes.
 
TimShady said:
Obviously that part is subjective but they paid big club prices despite being a relative small fish in terms of stature in my opinion.
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Which are big club prices? Premier league is full of money, our poorest team has more money than many countries richest.

Isak is one of the best few strikers in the prem and worth every penny of the 63m- plus young and has sell on value.

In 2017 Everton spent 45m on Sigursson.
United and Chelsea have both spent 100m each on Lukaku whos then not gone on to bring any success.
Arsenal - 72m on Pepe
Forest spent 42.5m on Gibbs White!
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If you want to play amongst the big boys, you have to have the players to compete. That means paying higher fees. Should they only buy mediocre players because they are 'small fish'?

Anyway, I suspect they could sell many of those players at a profit now, or break even at worse. Lots of successes in that list.

Let's face it, still nothing compared to what Utd or Chelsea have paid recently for what are largely looking like mistakes.
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Mudryk - 89m....
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If you want to play amongst the big boys, you have to have the players to compete. That means paying higher fees. Should they only buy mediocre players because they are 'small fish'?

Anyway, I suspect they could sell many of those players at a profit now, or break even at worse. Lots of successes in that list.

Let's face it, still nothing compared to what Utd or Chelsea have paid recently for what are largely looking like mistakes.
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No the constant failures of the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea certainly keeps the league much more interesting. Fingers crossed Man City join them.
 
Swango1980 said:
VAR was brought in to stop clear and obvious errors by the onfield officials.

VAR was not brought in to stop clear and obvious errors made by VAR itself :)

Obviously that situation was very different to the ones we are talking about this weekend, as it was a crazy breakdown in communication and then an issue with protocol. And that was correct, there was no protocol to fix the mess they made back then. I'm not sure if there is now?
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Well the ref disallowed the goal for offside !
That was clearly clear and obvious!
 
TimShady said:
No the constant failures of the likes of Man Utd and Chelsea certainly keeps the league much more interesting. Fingers crossed Man City join them.
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On this subject - I'm not as impressed with City's transfers this off season - no one has made them better.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Well the ref disallowed the goal for offside !
That was clearly clear and obvious!
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Yes, and the VAR correctly determined the goal was fine. They did their job on that part.

But when communicating it, they failed miserably. So the error was no longer the onfield offside decision, the error was now the VAR communication. It was a mess, but it is a completely different situation.
 
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