The Footie Thread

[GB72]

I listened to a lot of it yesterday and it started about the Olympics

The suggestion was that once all the vunerable and at risk people were given the vaccine then if sporting events required a medical passport and the vaccine was required then someone said that Olympic Athletes could be given the vaccine to allow them to compete as for many of them it was their job etc

Then someone mentioned footballers getting it now etc and it went from there

I was referring more to Sean Dyche (may be wrong spelling) stating that players and staff should be vaccinated in exchange for the Premiership an EFL paying what they spend on testing to the NHS (so cannot get the vaccine on the open market to lets see if our money talks anywhere else) followed by all of the hosts on the breakfast show on talksport this morning stating that it was a great idea and actually putting forward the serious suggestion that, because footballers could not work from home, they should be treated as Key Workers and be bumped up the vaccination queue.

 

[clubchamp98]

Elite sports persons can travel , prob set up for actual traveling to games but wouldn't surprise me if it was a loop hole

Were they going for a game?
Any travel outside official club games should be the same as you and me.
This is why people see them breaking the rules and think if they can do it so can I.
I can travel for work but not for a jolly.
Looks really poor judgment imo.or arrogance!

 

[clubchamp98]

Well, the Villa game has just been confirmed as going ahead! Looks like the reverse of last year when liverpool had to play kids against us in the cup as the main squad was at the Club World Cup!

I know its a loss already, but looking forward to seeing our Kids play!

Can’t see Klopp playing a full team so might be a good game.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Were they going for a game?
Any travel outside official club games should be the same as you and me.
This is why people see them breaking the rules and think if they can do it so can I.
I can travel for work but not for a jolly.
Looks really poor judgment imo.or arrogance!

It is poor judgement on a professional athlete not following the rules.

But it's idiotic for anyone else that sees them do it to then do the same. And anyone that does is a moron and should be called out as such.

 

[SteveW86]

Not being able to work from home does not make you a key worker. I dont really have any sympathy for Premier League footballers, they have enough money to sit at home and wait out the situation. I do have sympathy with the lower leagues of football, though I am not sure how far down the pyramid you need to go to get to people who are on a "normal" wage of lets say £50k (still a high wage)....does anybody know? These clubs are at risk, so therefore these players incomes are too, not sure how many of them are trained in other areas so could get another job (I appreciate it is the same for any other person who is it at risk of losing their job)

It is all about how the public view it, they see footballers having parties over Xmas and everyone gets tainted when we know it is a small % of people doing wrong, this is the same as the general public, the vast majority of us are sticking to the rules/guidelines and doing all we can to get through this as quickly as possible. The consequences of breaking the rules have not been strict enough to deter people across the board, if they were people would quickly stop.

 

[clubchamp98]

It is poor judgement on a professional athlete not following the rules.

But it's idiotic for anyone else that sees them do it to then do the same. And anyone that does is a moron and should be called out as such.

There’s plenty of them in the country, we only have to watch the news.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I was referring more to Sean Dyche (may be wrong spelling) stating that players and staff should be vaccinated in exchange for the Premiership an EFL paying what they spend on testing to the NHS (so cannot get the vaccine on the open market to lets see if our money talks anywhere else) followed by all of the hosts on the breakfast show on talksport this morning stating that it was a great idea and actually putting forward the serious suggestion that, because footballers could not work from home, they should be treated as Key Workers and be bumped up the vaccination queue.

I can't work from home, finally I'm a key worker . I was feeling very left out up to this point as 95% of the working popuplation seem to be claiming to be key workers.

(that really is exceptionally stupid)

 

[GB72]

I can't work from home, finally I'm a key worker . I was feeling very left out up to this point as 95% of the working popuplation seem to be claiming to be key workers.

(that really is exceptionally stupid)

I know, some interesting stories today about people claiming to be key workers so as they can send their kids to school then getting grassed up by other parents when they see whose kids are in the classroom on zoom calls.

 

[Bdill93]

Can’t see Klopp playing a full team so might be a good game.

Full team or not, its men vs boys, quite literally.

Our second team dispatched their kids last year, only right they give it us back I suppose

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I was referring more to Sean Dyche (may be wrong spelling) stating that players and staff should be vaccinated in exchange for the Premiership an EFL paying what they spend on testing to the NHS (so cannot get the vaccine on the open market to lets see if our money talks anywhere else) followed by all of the hosts on the breakfast show on talksport this morning stating that it was a great idea and actually putting forward the serious suggestion that, because footballers could not work from home, they should be treated as Key Workers and be bumped up the vaccination queue.

I used to have a good deal of respect for Dyche as an English manager trying to get a big job and doing it in a reasonable way, but now..no. PL players are not key workers, they are entertainers and that's it. If we were to hear some condemnation of those players breaking the rules, causing games to be cancelled because they are now positive after a party, flight away or whatever against the rules of society right now then I would listen just a little bit more. But we don't hear jack from anyone connected to the game, so stick them at the bottom of the list.
Just because you get a bucket load of money for running around a grass field, get paid more in a week what most get paid in a year and drive cars more costly than the average house doesn't mean you can ignore the rules in place for everyone protection and can jump the queue for the jab in front of real needy people.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Not being able to work from home does not make you a key worker. I dont really have any sympathy for Premier League footballers, they have enough money to sit at home and wait out the situation. I do have sympathy with the lower leagues of football, though I am not sure how far down the pyramid you need to go to get to people who are on a "normal" wage of lets say £50k (still a high wage)....does anybody know? These clubs are at risk, so therefore these players incomes are too, not sure how many of them are trained in other areas so could get another job (I appreciate it is the same for any other person who is it at risk of losing their job)

It is all about how the public view it, they see footballers having parties over Xmas and everyone gets tainted when we know it is a small % of people doing wrong, this is the same as the general public, the vast majority of us are sticking to the rules/guidelines and doing all we can to get through this as quickly as possible. The consequences of breaking the rules have not been strict enough to deter people across the board, if they were people would quickly stop.

You don't have to go far down the pyramid to get to normal wages. Some at the lower end of the Championship and more than you would think in League 1. A lot of these players won't have any other qualifications or skill. Most should have done some basic coaching qualifications or other similar subjects. But a lot of them don't take it seriously or finish them.
There is also the problem that the FA has just made a massive number of coach educators redundant. So the coaching opportunities they may have had, has been significantly reduced. That's without the lockdown stopping all coaching anyway.

Then there are all of the people employed in professional football that aren't players. What happens to them?

The problem with people's views on football, is they just see the rich players and assume everyone in the game is like that and don't think of the thousands of other people involved. The politics of envy drilled into people in this country clouds the judgment of many.

 

[GB72]

You don't have to go far down the pyramid to get to normal wages. Some at the lower end of the Championship and more than you would think in League 1. A lot of these players won't have any other qualifications or skill. Most should have done some basic coaching qualifications or other similar subjects. But a lot of them don't take it seriously or finish them.
There is also the problem that the FA has just made a massive number of coach educators redundant. So the coaching opportunities they may have had, has been significantly reduced. That's without the lockdown stopping all coaching anyway.

Then there are all of the people employed in professional football that aren't players. What happens to them?

The problem with people's views on football, is they just see the rich players and assume everyone in the game is like that and don't think of the thousands of other people involved. The politics of envy drilled into people in this country clouds the judgment of many.

I understand and sympathise with much of what you say but I guess that football suffers from its own feelings of self importance, that it is something more significant and meaningful than a form of entertainment. Vaccinating footballers and club staff is no better an idea than, say, vaccinating all musicians and their support crews so as they can set up and stream live gigs. Would be great for many but in the grand scheme of things it is neither important nor fair, practical or wise to go down that route.

As for the lower leagues, pretty much most people have one skill in which they are experienced enough to carry out a job and if something happens to that industry, they have to re-train. At least footballers know that their career has a lifespan and they are going to need to find another plan in their 30s. Sadly many people find that they cannot continue with their career choice until much later in life and for them it is too late to find a plan B.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I understand and sympathise with much of what you say but I guess that football suffers from its own feelings of self importance, that it is something more significant and meaningful than a form of entertainment. Vaccinating footballers and club staff is no better an idea than, say, vaccinating all musicians and their support crews so as they can set up and stream live gigs. Would be great for many but in the grand scheme of things it is neither important nor fair, practical or wise to go down that route.

As for the lower leagues, pretty much most people have one skill in which they are experienced enough to carry out a job and if something happens to that industry, they have to re-train. At least footballers know that their career has a lifespan and they are going to need to find another plan in their 30s. Sadly many people find that they cannot continue with their career choice until much later in life and for them it is too late to find a plan B.

I have no sympathy for the footballers who have broken the rules, and they should be banned from playing rather than fined, where they have deliberately broken the rules, but its not just footballers - cricketers and rugby players have been equally as bad, but less castigated.

 

[clubchamp98]

You don't have to go far down the pyramid to get to normal wages. Some at the lower end of the Championship and more than you would think in League 1. A lot of these players won't have any other qualifications or skill. Most should have done some basic coaching qualifications or other similar subjects. But a lot of them don't take it seriously or finish them.
There is also the problem that the FA has just made a massive number of coach educators redundant. So the coaching opportunities they may have had, has been significantly reduced. That's without the lockdown stopping all coaching anyway.

Then there are all of the people employed in professional football that aren't players. What happens to them?

The problem with people's views on football, is they just see the rich players and assume everyone in the game is like that and don't think of the thousands of other people involved. The politics of envy drilled into people in this country clouds the judgment of many.

Anyone who knows about football knows the lower leagues are suffering.
The main point is the minority of the “elite” think they are just that and testing makes them immune .
People are fed up of political, sports , rich people thinking they can do what they want with virtually no consequences.
It started with Cummings.
Now they think their status should get them to the top of the vaccine list, that should not happen and the public will not like it if it does.

 

[fundy]

FA are too busy giving out a 10 game ban to Trippier for jokingly telling a mate to lump on than wanting to actually address the Covid breaches which are currently making headline news everywhere and causing the virus to spread and game after game to be cancelled. As always their priorities are so wrong

 

[GB72]

I have no sympathy for the footballers who have broken the rules, and they should be banned from playing rather than fined, where they have deliberately broken the rules, but its not just footballers - cricketers and rugby players have been equally as bad, but less castigated.

Rugby at a club level has not been as bad, nor, in the main at international level. The only real issue was the barbarians and they are not much more than a professional drinking team. As for cricket, they have some sympathy as they really are in a bubble for months on end and that can no fun to be locked in a hotel for months on end.

 

[fundy]

This week 66 EFL clubs, tested 3,500 players and staff, 112 tested positive!!!

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I have no sympathy for the footballers who have broken the rules, and they should be banned from playing rather than fined, where they have deliberately broken the rules, but its not just footballers - cricketers and rugby players have been equally as bad, but less castigated.

What about teachers, doctors, office workers and other people doing more normal jobs?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Rugby at a club level has not been as bad, nor, in the main at international level. The only real issue was the barbarians and they are not much more than a professional drinking team. As for cricket, they have some sympathy as they really are in a bubble for months on end and that can no fun to be locked in a hotel for months on end.

So footballers, no excuse, other sports -excuses or sympathy?

 

[Liverbirdie]

What about teachers, doctors, office workers and other people doing more normal jobs?

Not sure, I'm still considering the meek and the cheesemakers.