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Swango1980 said:
Ohh, so he should have saved all 4 goals now. The second goal smashed into the bottom corner, the Kane penalty and the smash from close range at the end???

Apart from the howler first goal, he has not had an error prone start to his career at Utd. But, he has a team in front of him that have gifted easy chances to the opposition and they've punished us.

My hopes for the season is that most of the first team in ETH eyes get fit and stay fit, and that no more players get prosecuted or down tools like Sancho.
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I didn't claim he should've saved all 4, just disagreed that you said he had a 'good' game. The first was a ricket which was the key goal in the game, given you had made a pretty solid start. You must've missed his error in the Wolves game where VAR bailed you out or the Forest game where he was sat on his backside looking silly. As you won both of those it was papered over. I'd argue a top keeper saves the goal from Rice too but impossible to say.

I don't disagree injuries have made his job harder but questioned whether signing a ball playing keeper was a wise use of funds in the summer window, given most of the back four or midfield aren't great on the ball.

That's a pretty low bar for a club of your size. For not far off £400m spent by ETH, don't you want better football or more attacking football? A genuine title challenge? It seems ETH has been spooked by the quality in the league and has abandoned the style of football that got him the job, instead reverting to football seen under Jose and Ole.

Billysboots said:
It does grind my gears when a goalkeeper is singled out for criticism when a team is shipping goals.

There is obviously no escaping the fact that Onana was horribly at fault for Bayern’s first, but he could do nothing about the rest. And I don’t recall him having the finger pointed at him for too many other goals so far this season.

The issue is three fold for me. First, United are utterly incapable of retaining possession higher up the pitch. Arsenal away was a classic case in point. They played some lovely stuff deep in their own half that day, ironically with Onana being central to most of it. But almost every time they crossed half way they gave possession away cheaply, inviting pressure onto themselves time and again.

Second, Casemiro has not only had a below par start to the season when judged by the standards he set last year, but it is glaringly obvious to all that he is desperately in need of quality alongside him. I note 4LEX’s observation that the club were scrambling around for loan signings on deadline day but that rather detracts from the fact that Amrabat was a target for most of the summer. How they got him through the door is all rather irrelevant - what matters is they got him, he’s a quality player in the eyes of every pundit I have heard talk about him, and he can only add some steel to a really soft central midfield.

And finally, any defence which is missing three of its first choice players is bound to struggle. Dalot is nowhere near the defender AWB is, and Lindelöf has proved any number of times that he is way too lightweight at the top level. The defence is makeshift, and it shows.

I recall 4LEX being hugely critical of ETH’s appointment to begin with, so Onana’s mistake for one goal, and United’s inability to keep a clean sheet, is perhaps being used rather unfairly as a means of bringing all this to the manager’s door because of his signing of one player.

The problems are far wider than that, many of them beyond the control of the manager.
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To be fair Martinez has been far worse than Onana this season. A new keeper is always going to get more stick though whereas Martinez is a fans favourite. We're not talking about clean sheets here, we're talking about conceding 10 goals in 3 games :ROFLMAO: A league defensive record that's worse than Everton and on a par with Luton Town.

Any team can play good stuff in their own box or half when not pressured. It's very much like England in the World Cup. Utterly pointless. Onana has stopped high pressing but that's been replaced by tedious build up that goes nowhere and slows the game down. Amrabat was a target early on a permanent deal, to pay his loan fee last minute was desperate, especially as he was injured and out for a month. I don't know too much about him other than he had a good WC. He could be fantastic, he could be useless. Expecting him to fix things is probably very wishful thinking as no other top side were interested.

I was critical of ETH's appointment for various reasons. Under qualified, no experience in a top league, no personality and the job would be too big for him. Obviously he won a League Cup and finished third which on paper is very good. However when you factor in poor quality football, off pitch drama, lack of goals, easy cup draws and ending the season on a nosedive, it was clear unless deluded that the reality wasn't great. He's made more poor signings, badly handled the issues with Maguire and Sancho to the extent leaks are emerging from the dressing room. I'd give the guy until the end of the season but I can't see him turning it around. The issues are with the owners ultimately as no one clued up would be stupid enough to give the likes of Ole and ETH total control to £750m to waste on rubbish.
 
Sounds like another blatantly incorrect penalty missed by VAR at Kenilworth road today.
 
Not sure if ETH’s starting XI amounts to a team sheet or suicide note. Evans and Lindelöf as a centre back pairing doesn’t fill me with hope.
 
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