The Footie Thread

[Lord Tyrion]

Dull and infuriating game against Watford there. Feel we really should and could have pushed for three points in that.

A win would have made us safe, not mathematically but in reality. A point is better than none though, how far have we dropped ?.

Bring on Brentford at home, maybe we can relax after then. Thank heavens Leeds are in free fall and Burnley have a tough run in.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Every linesman that has ever lived, I am in no doubt, have made wrong offside calls either way. The job isn't as easy as you think it is, and with that opinion no linesman should be allowed to work again. If he was miles offside, then you can start to wonder how such a mistake was made. But he wasn't.

And, the fact they are ordered to keep flag down for close ones is irrelevant, because as I said before, he'd have put it up after the shot if he thought it was offside anyway

I've more of a problem with the VAR ref for not pulling it back.

As has been said elsewhere, would Allison have been better to have let the first shot in, albeit at a massive risk as it would then have been ruled out as offside. Personally i dont think it was a different phase of play as it was all a part of the same move.

 

[Foxholer]

Erm, we've already won the league cup, so nil isnt a possibility.

I think pep's one man hype machine for City means they arent that quiet.

Doh! Missed that! Did have a niggle about what the 4th one was. 'Replay' Saturday!
I think Klopp wins the 'hype machine' rating by some margin. But that's also an indication of how (well) they can inspire their players, so I don't see that as a 'negative' trait.

 

[Bazz]

I think KDB is the top goal scorer at Molineux this season.

 

[Swango1980]

I've more of a problem with the VAR ref for not pulling it back.

As has been said elsewhere, would Allison have been better to have let the first shot in, albeit at a massive risk as it would then have been ruled out as offside. Personally i dont think it was a different phase of play as it was all a part of the same move.

Well, if Allison had let it in it would have been offside. But, clearly it wouldn't have been better for him to do so, as he'd have had no idea if it was offside or not. That would be a horrific mentality if a keeper, would backfire frequently.

The phase of play is subjective, but a lot happened after that. After the offside, Liverpool players had the chance to get back into positions and defend, and a couple of crosses later the goal was scored. Had Man Utd gone on to score in a similar situation I'd be pissed off if it was disallowed, likewise I'm sure Liverpool fans would be if they scored. How far back should we go? It seems very far back if our team conceded, but only a matter of seconds back if our team scored. You only need to go back a season or so, and the controversy when goals were disallowed for something that happened a fairly long time before the goal was scored.

 

[clubchamp98]

Well, if Allison had let it in it would have been offside. But, clearly it wouldn't have been better for him to do so, as he'd have had no idea if it was offside or not. That would be a horrific mentality if a keeper, would backfire frequently.

The phase of play is subjective, but a lot happened after that. After the offside, Liverpool players had the chance to get back into positions and defend, and a couple of crosses later the goal was scored. Had Man Utd gone on to score in a similar situation I'd be pissed off if it was disallowed, likewise I'm sure Liverpool fans would be if they scored. How far back should we go? It seems very far back if our team conceded, but only a matter of seconds back if our team scored. You only need to go back a season or so, and the controversy when goals were disallowed for something that happened a fairly long time before the goal was scored.

Watched it again last night.
There is daylight between him and Liverpools back line so not so close.
I would certainly expect a Lino in the PL to spot that .
But academic now.

 

[fundy]

seems relevant again lol


Specsavers @Specsavers
4 Oct 2021


If you're wondering how often you should get your eyes tested, it's usually once every four Watford managers.

 

[Swango1980]

Watched it again last night.
There is daylight between him and Liverpools back line so not so close.
I would certainly expect a Lino in the PL to spot that .
But academic now.

Daylight?

The attached image doesn't back that up. I believe Ings is the one furthest forward, not Watkins. If it had been way offside, the commentators definitely would have talked about it a lot more when they went back and showed it.

 

[clubchamp98]

Daylight?

The attached image doesn't back that up. I believe Ings is the one furthest forward, not Watkins. If it had been way offside, the commentators definitely would have talked about it a lot more when they went back and showed it.

Look at the angle of the stripes on the pitch.
I think it backs my assessment up not refutes it.
The defender is in a different segment .
From the picture angle it looks close but from the linos position that’s not even close.
I would expect a linesman in the PL to see that’s offside 10/10 times.

 

[Slime]

In other news, United win the FA Youth Cup ...................................... again!

 

[Swango1980]

Look at the angle of the stripes on the pitch.
I think it backs my assessment up not refutes it.
The defender is in a different segment .
From the picture angle it looks close but from the linos position that’s not even close.
I would expect a linesman in the PL to see that’s offside 10/10 times.

It absolutely doesn't. Watkins is in BOTH segments. The left side of his body is behind the back of the defenders body. Zero daylight between them. Are you looking at the wrong Villa player?

 

[nickjdavis]

It absolutely doesn't. Watkins is in BOTH segments. The left side of his body is behind the back of the defenders body. Zero daylight between them. Are you looking at the wrong Villa player?

Watkins' left foot is clearly in the paler stripe. The last Liverpool defender has both feet in the darker stripe. That is clearly offside...even though there is little, if any, daylight between the two players bodies.

Offside would be made so much simpler if it was based on where a footballers feet were rather than projecting body parts and guessing where someones shirt sleeve ended....if these rules were in place thirty years ago we'd have been debating whether Linekers ears were closer to the goal than LeTissiers nose.

 

[Swango1980]

Watkins' left foot is clearly in the paler stripe. The last Liverpool defender has both feet in the darker stripe. That is clearly offside...even though there is little, if any, daylight between the two players bodies.

Offside would be made so much simpler if it was based on where a footballers feet were rather than projecting body parts and guessing where someones shirt sleeve ended....if these rules were in place thirty years ago we'd have been debating whether Linekers ears were closer to the goal than LeTissiers nose.

I 100% agree he was offside. That wasn't the debate. I was arguing that he wasn't miles offside, and that it is easy to see how a linesman missed it. The counter argument was that he was miles offside, and the linesman shouldn't really be in a job for getting it wrong. Clupchamp said there was daylight, and the photo shows there clearly wasn't.

 

[Dando]

Arsenal are getting their champions league bus ready in anticipation of next year

 

[clubchamp98]

I 100% agree he was offside. That wasn't the debate. I was arguing that he wasn't miles offside, and that it is easy to see how a linesman missed it. The counter argument was that he was miles offside, and the linesman shouldn't really be in a job for getting it wrong. Clupchamp said there was daylight, and the photo shows there clearly wasn't.

I still think a PL Lino should not miss that he is clearly offside.
Without a down the line photo we will never know but I still think there is a chink of daylight between them.
The photo dosnt show us anything apart from he is clearly offside.

At least give me a bit of credit I am talking about Watkins not Ings.
I actually work on football pitches and the lower down you are the more the contrast in the lines on the pitch so a PL Lino should not miss that with such a reference point of a line between the two players.

 

[Swango1980]

I still think a PL Lino should not miss that he is clearly offside.
Without a down the line photo we will never know but I still think there is a chink of daylight between them.
The photo dosnt show us anything apart from he is clearly offside.

At least give me a bit of credit I am talking about Watkins not Ings.
I actually work on football pitches and the lower down you are the more the contrast in the lines on the pitch so a PL Lino should not miss that with such a reference point of a line between the two players.

I'm pretty sure a professional linesman is aware what his view is like from his level. But, it seems you don't seem to be prepared to give him any credit.

But, it is a trivial matter. It is the sort of human error that is made week in week out. As others mentioned, it is less about the human error, but more to do with how far VAR should look back. If you think the linesman deserves to lose his job down to incompetence, that is up to you. However, I suspect there are dozens of bigger errors being made each week that will probably help him sleep comfortably.

Now, let us end this, and clear the room for discussion on Spurs v Arsenal. I predict a red card for Arsenal, and a Kane / Son combination for at least 2 goals.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Erling Haaland has announced his retirement from winning the Champions League at the age of 21.

 

[clubchamp98]

I'm pretty sure a professional linesman is aware what his view is like from his level. But, it seems you don't seem to be prepared to give him any credit.

But, it is a trivial matter. It is the sort of human error that is made week in week out. As others mentioned, it is less about the human error, but more to do with how far VAR should look back. If you think the linesman deserves to lose his job down to incompetence, that is up to you. However, I suspect there are dozens of bigger errors being made each week that will probably help him sleep comfortably.

Now, let us end this, and clear the room for discussion on Spurs v Arsenal. I predict a red card for Arsenal, and a Kane / Son combination for at least 2 goals.

Credit for what ?
He got it wrong even you admitted that.
The lose his job is just a figure of speech as I am sure you know.
can only see a draw tonight.

 

[fundy]

Erling Haaland has announced his retirement from winning the Champions League at the age of 21.

this will age well

 

[fundy]

I see Coutinho has signed for Villa, massive for them and gives them far more pulling power in the mkt this summer youd think