Suarez

[Imurg]

My take on it - and I didn't play to any real level - is that Torres made a meal of it.
Yes he was caught but he made no effort to stay on his feet. If he had, he may have got into a scoring position. But he went down.
Suarez does this too. His dive the other week should have resulted in a straight red and another 8 game ban - and Rogers backed him! The fact he was being kicked around the park is irrelevent.
It is plain cheating, there's no other word - Simulation? Do me a favour, they cheat.
So do many many others in ALL leagues around the World. Yes Dodger - even in Bonnie Scotland!

Football is becoming a farce.
It needs to take a long hard look at itself and realise that it's got too big for it's boots. It needs taking down a peg or two.
These days, it seems, if you don't cheat then you can't win.
Well if that's the case I give Football parity with Cycling
Riddled with cheats who have no interest other than lining their own pockets.
I was walking through the local park the other week and saw a game. Kids of about 16/17.
One defender went in for a tackle and missed the ball and the player. The lad did a Klinnsmann and nearly died on the spot.
Cue a red card for the defender. Cue lots of smiles and winks from the Winger who got "felled".
It's probably rife in the Under 10's too.
They watch their "heroes" - God help us if JT et al are kids' Heroes - and copy what they see.

Football stinks.
I'll still watch matches when it's on and I can be bothered but it needs a revolution akin to what Punk did for Music in the late 70's - kick the pompous, self-indulgent air-heads in the teeth and get back to basics.

 

[MadAdey]

I see your point. But I'm trying to look at this as a football fan not a Utd fan. The way I see it is that a club of Liverpool's stature shouldn't be relying on this Cretin. But it's down to a horrendous transfer policy that they are. Some of their buys have been truly shocking. And to me it seems the club are too proud to admit their mistakes

There has been some major cock ups at Liverpool in the transfer market. One that really angered me was when they did not make Torres see the season out when they sold him. Suarez was purchased to play off Torres and I would have liked to see the season out with both of them.

I just get angered that so much hatred is being thrown towards Suarez. Terry is as much of a cheat as anyone who dives with the things he gets away with. There are plenty of players who throw them self around like a rag doll, but it jsut seems that everyone has it in for Suarez.

Cock up after cock up is being made by officials and that is the biggest problem. THey are not booking players for diving when they should be and then booking them when the player was entitled to go down. Just take the 2 games on SKY yesterday. Suarez should have gone, Sterling should not have got his first booking. Everton score from a throw in that was clearly Liverpools. Suarez has a goal disallowed for offside all because the linesman bottled it and made the decision after the Everton players shouted for it. Torres should have got a red card not yellow for his first offence. But he should not have got carded for diving when Evans actually caught him. Hernandez scores from an obvious offside that even Stevie Wonder could have seen. Sort out hese referees and get them making the correct decisions would be a good start

 

[LanDog]

There has been some major cock ups at Liverpool in the transfer market. One that really angered me was when they did not make Torres see the season out when they sold him. Suarez was purchased to play off Torres and I would have liked to see the season out with both of them.

I just get angered that so much hatred is being thrown towards Suarez. Terry is as much of a cheat as anyone who dives with the things he gets away with. There are plenty of players who throw them self around like a rag doll, but it jsut seems that everyone has it in for Suarez.

Cock up after cock up is being made by officials and that is the biggest problem. THey are not booking players for diving when they should be and then booking them when the player was entitled to go down. Just take the 2 games on SKY yesterday. Suarez should have gone, Sterling should not have got his first booking. Everton score from a throw in that was clearly Liverpools. Suarez has a goal disallowed for offside all because the linesman bottled it and made the decision after the Everton players shouted for it. Torres should have got a red card not yellow for his first offence. But he should not have got carded for diving when Evans actually caught him. Hernandez scores from an obvious offside that even Stevie Wonder could have seen. Sort out hese referees and get them making the correct decisions would be a good start

I see your point there, but it is an incredibly difficult job for refs, they then get very little help in game, on top of that they get a ridiculously hard time from the media and fans alike. So I try and not pass judgement on refs until they get some assistance Forman outside body, be that Hawkeye or be it a video ref. either way I'm all for it

 

[Imurg]

Hernandez scores from an obvious offside that even Stevie Wonder could have seen. Sort out hese referees and get them making the correct decisions would be a good start

Firstly - and contrary to popular opinion - Refs and Lino's are Human. They will make mistakes. Regardless of how good the training is, how good they are, they will all make mistakes. Football in general needs to accept that before anything else can happen.
The Officials don't have replays to look at - that's another debate - they have to make a decision based on what they can see at the moment anything happens.
If they happen to be looking the other way for whatever reason then they could miss an event - therefore they cannot take any action.
Linesmen have to make split-second decisions for offsides. Take Hernandez yesteday. If you look from the aerial view then it's easy to see the offside. But look from ground level and the Lino has to peer through 2 or 3 players to work out EXACTLY where Hernandez is.
And if he gets it wrong then a million Armchair Pundits, with the benefit of action replays taken from several angles, decry him as blind and a waste of space. It's a wonder anyone wants to do the job i the first place - and remember..No refs or Linos = No game.

Until Football accepts that errors will occur on the field of play, nothing is ever ever going to change. And when the errors occur, take it on the chin and move on. Decisions will probably even themselves out over the season anyway.

 

[MadAdey]

Firstly - and contrary to popular opinion - Refs and Lino's are Human. They will make mistakes. Regardless of how good the training is, how good they are, they will all make mistakes. Football in general needs to accept that before anything else can happen.
The Officials don't have replays to look at - that's another debate - they have to make a decision based on what they can see at the moment anything happens.
If they happen to be looking the other way for whatever reason then they could miss an event - therefore they cannot take any action.
Linesmen have to make split-second decisions for offsides. Take Hernandez yesteday. If you look from the aerial view then it's easy to see the offside. But look from ground level and the Lino has to peer through 2 or 3 players to work out EXACTLY where Hernandez is.
And if he gets it wrong then a million Armchair Pundits, with the benefit of action replays taken from several angles, decry him as blind and a waste of space. It's a wonder anyone wants to do the job i the first place - and remember..No refs or Linos = No game.

Until Football accepts that errors will occur on the field of play, nothing is ever ever going to change. And when the errors occur, take it on the chin and move on. Decisions will probably even themselves out over the season anyway.

I accept that people will make mistakes as they are only human. My problem is the amount of mistakes they keep making. In the Liverpool game alone the referee made at least 5 mistakes that had a major impact on the outcome of the game and that is both ways not just for Liverpool. The same goes for the Chelsea match. Yes they are only human, but so am I. If I make a mistake in my job then there is a good chance someone could die. The referee does have a hard time, but if he is not able to cope then do what other sports have done and bring in replay technology.

We all make excuses for our favorite player when he cheats and likewise we make excuses for referees getting decisions wrong. FIFA need to go back to the old rules of the game to help the referee. The rules use to be easy to enforce unlike all the ambiguous rules that we have today. The referee is told by the rules they must give a certain card for certain situations, problem is it is still open to their interpretation, so that allows for mistakes to happen.

 

[craig26]

To put it simply, the song says it all

He cheats, He dives, He hates the Jackson 5, Luis Suarez, Luis Suarez

 

[MadAdey]

To put it simply, the song says it all

He cheats, He dives, He hates the Jackson 5, Luis Suarez, Luis Suarez

Nothing like a racist football song is there...........

 

[MadAdey]

Firstly - and contrary to popular opinion - Refs and Lino's are Human. They will make mistakes. Regardless of how good the training is, how good they are, they will all make mistakes. Football in general needs to accept that before anything else can happen.
The Officials don't have replays to look at - that's another debate - they have to make a decision based on what they can see at the moment anything happens.
If they happen to be looking the other way for whatever reason then they could miss an event - therefore they cannot take any action.
Linesmen have to make split-second decisions for offsides. Take Hernandez yesteday. If you look from the aerial view then it's easy to see the offside. But look from ground level and the Lino has to peer through 2 or 3 players to work out EXACTLY where Hernandez is.
And if he gets it wrong then a million Armchair Pundits, with the benefit of action replays taken from several angles, decry him as blind and a waste of space. It's a wonder anyone wants to do the job i the first place - and remember..No refs or Linos = No game.

Until Football accepts that errors will occur on the field of play, nothing is ever ever going to change. And when the errors occur, take it on the chin and move on. Decisions will probably even themselves out over the season anyway.

Yes I agree they are only human, but take both games yesterday it was mistake after mistake. At least 5 made in the merseyside derby that could have swung the result both ways. Same goes for the Chelsea game. IS the game too fast or the rules too complicated for the referee to cope with? What it boils down to is following other sports and having video technology to assist the officials. In my job if I made as many mistakes as Premier League refs then someone would surely die, not just loose 3 points.

 

[A1ex]

In fairness to Suarez in the last month or so he's looked much better infront of goal. Whether it's just form or actually lasts is another matter.

He's not a main striker though, he's playing out of position because Liverpool have no top class striker. His best position is on the left of a 433 cutting inside and creating aswell as scoring. I'm not sure Liverpool fans will see the best of him because he won't hang around for long without CL football.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Especially the bit where I said "No. United's winner was definitely offside, no question". Obviously 'anti Liverpool, pro Everton'!
Don't be so defensive Liverbirdie, it's only a chat about football.
Chillax a little, life will be much sweeter and don't feel obliged to defend Suarez, you can despise him too you know .

Slime.

Ok - lets look at the evidence:-

1. Chillax - who was the one talking in capital letters 1 inch high - pot,kettle?

2. You can't really have an anti- Liverpool, pro-everton view when talking about a different game (United v chelsea).

3. Defending Suarez - I quote "He is a cheating, snidy, dirty, diver of a footballer" - Liverbirdie, earlier on in the thread (that's me by the way).

Slime, catch up will yer. I'll speak more slowly next time, if you like.

Seperately, as has been said by many others - Suarez is a scorer of great goals, not a great goalscorer. But he is scoring a lot of goals, ala Andy Cole. People used to accuse him of the same wastefulness, I used to always say, does he finish the season with 30 goals plus? Yes he does, so he's a good goalscorer, ok he might need four chances to score one, but 30 goals a season still a goalscorer makes.

 

[Slime]

Cock up after cock up is being made by officials and that is the biggest problem. THey are not booking players for diving when they should be and then booking them when the player was entitled to go down.

A player is entitled to go down when he is brought down i.e. he has no choice because he has been fouled. A player can't go down out of choice just because he's been tickled..........that's diving!

Just take the 2 games on SKY yesterday. Suarez should have gone, Sterling should not have got his first booking.
But he should have been booked for diving.
Everton score from a throw in that was clearly Liverpools.
Liverpool should learn how to defend throw ins.
Suarez has a goal disallowed for offside all because the linesman bottled it and made the decision after the Everton players shouted for it.
Suarez should already have been sent off for his horrendous 'tackle' on Distin.
Torres should have got a red card not yellow for his first offence. But he should not have got carded for diving when Evans actually caught him.
Yes he should. Evans made contact but DID NOT bring Torres down, Torres went down of his own volition..........he dived.
Hernandez scores from an obvious offside that even Stevie Wonder could have seen.
Yes, it was offside & the linesman should have spotted it, but to be fair, I didn't notice it straight away.
Sort out these referees and get them making the correct decisions would be a good start.
A better start would be to heavily punish the cheats, that would give the officials a bit of a help....................ain't gonna happen though.

Unfortunately, the officials have the hardest job in a great game played at a terific pace by 22 players, at least half of whom are habitual cheats. The refs do an impossible job to the best of their abilities and they generally do it bloody well too. I get pissed off when players and managers constantly moan about the bad decisions they may get, yet never do I see them refereeing a game. I bet that would open their eyes a tad.
Refs & linesmen, I salute you, and thank you for putting up with the constant abuse you get, without you there would be no beautiful game.

Slime.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Suarez has a natural talent and ability. However having a goal scorers touch isn't one of the things he's blessed with. He can get himself into positions, yes. But he continues to miss easier chances and yet somehow convert more difficult ones! His hat-trick at Norwich being a perfect example really. He missed quite a simple 1 on 1, then moments later scored an outside of the boot beauty. His talent is unquestionable, his attitude however is despicable, he is now probably seen as the best player at Liverpool and yet how he behaves on the pitch is a disgraceful example to young supporters of the club. If I was a supporter of the club which I'm not. I'd be ashamed to have to tie myself to an organisation that supports him. Or furthermore an organisation that seems to refuse to recognise its PR mistakes which have been so apparent in the club's severe fall from grace over the past 18 months

So the fact that Liverpool sacked Kenny Dalglish along with the press officer, does not maybe show that the club weren't happy with how the whole thing was handled.

So what your saying is that if Suarez was a Man U player, you would stop supporting them?

 

[LanDog]

So the fact that Liverpool sacked Kenny Dalglish along with the press officer, does not maybe show that the club weren't happy with how the whole thing was handled.

So what your saying is that if Suarez was a Man U player, you would stop supporting them?

I'm saying that. It hasn't been publicly acknowledged Kenny should never have been in the job and furthermore, he hasn't actually 'sacked, you can say that's because of his position to the club, nevertheless he was terrible in charge.
I'd continue to support my team. But I wouldn't cheer Suarez like some do, or nail my colours to him like many have, but aren't man enough to admit what a delinquent he is. This is not my personal prejudice against a Liverpool player here, if it were a player from any other team I'd feel the exact same.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I'm saying that. It hasn't been publicly acknowledged Kenny should never have been in the job and furthermore, he hasn't actually 'sacked, you can say that's because of his position to the club, nevertheless he was terrible in charge.
I'd continue to support my team. But I wouldn't cheer Suarez like some do, or nail my colours to him like many have, but aren't man enough to admit what a delinquent he is. This is not my personal prejudice against a Liverpool player here, if it were a player from any other team I'd feel the exact same.

I think to all intents and purposes he was sacked, "mutual agreement" is rubbish in this instance.

Fair play, I thought you were going to say that you would withdraw your support, as you alluded to. Lets face it if Suarez played for any of the other 19 prem clubs, 60% of their fans would back him no matter what, 30 % would be somewhere in the middle and maybe 10% would say it's bad.

 

[LanDog]

I think to all intents and purposes he was sacked, "mutual agreement" is rubbish in this instance.

Fair play, I thought you were going to say that you would withdraw your support, as you alluded to. Lets face it if Suarez played for any of the other 19 prem clubs, 60% of their fans would back him no matter what, 30 % would be somewhere in the middle and maybe 10% would say it's bad.

You've just indirectly made my point there. Everyone knows that Dalglish was sacked but in the press it isn't really mentioned and the Club never said it.

On the support of players however. I've felt like this before, with Tevez at Utd I always felt like he only wanted a paycheck. Like it didn't matter to him if the team lost. As long as he scored. Parts of me now feel like that with Rooney, after his Contract mess I seen a different side to the normally team driven hungry young fighter that he was. I do see it as as long as the player does his job quietly then that's all you can ask of him, but some go the extra mile in both ways. By being a ridiculous tool and there are a number of ways this can happen as we know, but there are also those moments of class like DiCanio catching the ball that do win you over. But I often fear that you'll struggle to have one without the other. DiCanio being a prime example again for his sheer insanity.

 

[Liverbirdie]

You've just indirectly made my point there. Everyone knows that Dalglish was sacked but in the press it isn't really mentioned and the Club never said it.

On the support of players however. I've felt like this before, with Tevez at Utd I always felt like he only wanted a paycheck. Like it didn't matter to him if the team lost. As long as he scored. Parts of me now feel like that with Rooney, after his Contract mess I seen a different side to the normally team driven hungry young fighter that he was. I do see it as as long as the player does his job quietly then that's all you can ask of him, but some go the extra mile in both ways. By being a ridiculous tool and there are a number of ways this can happen as we know, but there are also those moments of class like DiCanio catching the ball that do win you over. But I often fear that you'll struggle to have one without the other. DiCanio being a prime example again for his sheer insanity.

I think there are less and less heroes in football, now. I've never really bought into hero worship of particualr players, and more about the team, even as a kid. I've never been much into collecting autographs and meeting players etc.

I think most Liverpool fans over the years have worshipped their managers more than the players TBH.

Steven Gerrard may be an exception to LFC fans, as he stayed when he could have easily gone to a side who would have won the league. I think lots of neutrals admire him for this also, but not necessarily other parts of him.

Footballers are in another world now, populated by pop stars, leeches, agents, celebs and other ne'er do wells. Very few heroes now.

 

[LanDog]

I think there are less and less heroes in football, now. I've never really bought into hero worship of particualr players, and more about the team, even as a kid. I've never been much into collecting autographs and meeting players etc.

I think most Liverpool fans over the years have worshipped their managers more than the players TBH.

Steven Gerrard may be an exception to LFC fans, as he stayed when he could have easily gone to a side who would have won the league. I think lots of neutrals admire him for this also, but not necessarily other parts of him.

Footballers are in another world now, populated by pop stars, leeches, agents, celebs and other ne'er do wells. Very few heroes now.

The Heroes are most definitely dying out in the game, Maldini, Seedorf, Scholes, Nedved, Cannavaro, Keane, VDS, Neville. These were all personal heroes of mine all are now either retired or in the final stages of their career. It's quite sad really

 

[Slime]

The Heroes are most definitely dying out in the game, Maldini, Seedorf, Scholes, Nedved, Cannavaro, Keane, VDS, Neville. These were all personal heroes of mine all are now either retired or in the final stages of their career. It's quite sad really

Just showing my age when I say my first heroes were Law, Charlton and Sir Matt Busby before moving to Giggs, Keane, Scholes & Ronaldo via Bryan Robson, Spark Hughes (only as a player though) Diego Maradona, Zinedine Zidane, Fat Ronaldo & Eric Cantona (another hugely flawed genius).

Slime.

 

[LanDog]

Zidane was a serious hero, I was never fortunate enough to witness Cantona in real time

 

[Fish]

I love watching and reminiscing at some of the great old footage early on ITV4 on Saturday mornings from the 70's where tackles are flying in everywhere on boggy, sandy pitches and most if not all stay on their feet unless cut in half by the likes of Harris, Bremner, Souness, Hunter plus a host of other leg biters of the times.

I watched the 79 league cup final on Saturday with Forest Vs Southampton on a ripped up Wembley pitch and watching Birtles get chopped left right and centre with Gemmel dishing out his revenge only to see Birtles stay on his feet with studs flying in and still get the winning goal.

I watched a Leeds Vs Chelsea game from the 70's and think it should have had a certificate 18 attached and yet only had 2 bookings!

How long and how many of our millionaire pretty boys would last in those conditions and should they be shown these games to show how pathetic they look at times.