Suarez given 8 match ban!!! so what about Terry?

Atticus_Finch said:
Have you considered that there may be reasonable doubt and if this was brought to a "proper" court of law it would have been thrown out for lack of evidence on the same day?
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He didn't deny it though, he confessed. The only debate was the context the insult was used in.

As I said earlier, Liverpool should've told him he made a mistake and played it the right way. Apology, meeting with Evra, shaking hands, donation to the Kick It Out campaign and a self imposed 4 game ban by Liverpool. The FA would've been delighted at the self-policing by one of England's top clubs. Then the matter is done and sorted by start of November, leaving everyone to move on. As it is, the whole thing is going to drag on for another 6 weeks and be used as an excuse if Liverpool finish outside the Top 4 or fail to win anything. I just the feeling that Ferguson and Manchester United will finally snap soon and Evra may take legal action. That's the last thing English football needs, a nasty battle between two of the biggest clubs.
 
A1ex said:
Liverpool are a great club and one of those clubs who used to do things the right way. I feel disappointed in how you've handled it, no bias mate. You should be way above this sort of stuff.

To be fair Mascherano had about 10 warnings in that game, he deserved to go. Other players have been sent off for dissent since that day, so not sure what your point is on that issue? Wayne Rooney even got a 3 game ban for swearing last season. Swearing at a football match, who'd have thought it?

Back to Suarez, he really doesn't help himself. Everytime I've seen him play he's look good minus finishing but shouts abuse at teammates for not passing, linesman, refs and throws himself to the floor if someone comes within a foot of him. He's one of those players who makes you hate what football has become.
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I agree, we haven't handled it the right way (with hindsight). I am not someone who has the LFC biassed glasses on when talking about footy, although you should fight your team/city's cause when attacked.

However, I wont be blinded by the obvious. I agree Luis isn't the most "well balanced" player (when it suits him), or put plainly he does dive. What does my head in is when people call him a acheat for the Ghana "save". I think most footballers would have done the same, I dont remember the same outcry when Phil Neville done it for Everton in a derby match. Ok we scored from the pen and won, but it was exactly the same event.
 
Liverbirdie said:
What does my head in is when people call him a acheat for the Ghana "save". I think most footballers would have done the same, I dont remember the same outcry when Phil Neville done it for Everton in a derby match. Ok we scored from the pen and won, but it was exactly the same event.
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What did it for alot of people was the fact he handled the ball on the line, stopping a clear goal, rightly get sent off, then celebrated after the kick was missed and subsequently Ghana went out.

If he hadn't celebrated and had just disappeared down the tunnel I dont think there would have been such a "hoo-har".
 
Liverbirdie said:
I agree, we haven't handled it the right way (with hindsight). I am not someone who has the LFC biassed glasses on when talking about footy, although you should fight your team/city's cause when attacked.

However, I wont be blinded by the obvious. I agree Luis isn't the most "well balanced" player (when it suits him), or put plainly he does dive. What does my head in is when people call him a acheat for the Ghana "save". I think most footballers would have done the same, I dont remember the same outcry when Phil Neville done it for Everton in a derby match. Ok we scored from the pen and won, but it was exactly the same event.
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I remember that game and Neville incident. I said at the time he should've been give an extra 3 game ban for breaking the spirit of the game. Pure cheating. I actually think Suarez's handball wasn't as bad as he had less time to think.

The World Cup incident was bad but it's the diving and constant appeals that gets me. Sure theres other divers out there like Nani and Drogba but Suarez is on a whole new level. He goes out to con the ref and get opposite players sent off before scoring goals. Someone of his quality should have more than 5 league goals.
 
Liverbirdie said:
What does my head in is when people call him a acheat for the Ghana "save". I think most footballers would have done the same, I dont remember the same outcry when Phil Neville done it for Everton in a derby match. Ok we scored from the pen and won, but it was exactly the same event.
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So by that reasoning it must really do your head in that people have for 25 years been calling Maradonna a cheat;)

Or is that not ok because he wasnt a Liverpool player and it was against England:whistle:
 
Gareth said:
What did it for alot of people was the fact he handled the ball on the line, stopping a clear goal, rightly get sent off, then celebrated after the kick was missed and subsequently Ghana went out.

If he hadn't celebrated and had just disappeared down the tunnel I dont think there would have been such a "hoo-har".
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I dont agree Gareth i would have done the same the very same , take the sending off for my team & country , & i would have jumped for joy when it was missed ..
 
Suarez 8 match ban; he admitted it but in mitigation said the context, in his own country, is different. So should every foreign national in this country be allowed to break a law if that law doesn't exist in their home country?

Is 8 matches too harsh when compared to the penalties received for other types of offences? Maybe it should be viewed that other sentences are too lenient.

Should Evra have received a ban, is he serial recipient of racism or does he cry wolf? I can't quite understand why Evra is suddenly in dock for being racially abused - don't forget, Suarez admitted it. Maybe Evra reports it more often than others because he refuses to be quiet about it. Maybe knowing thjat, other teams target his sensitivity.

In the greater scheme of things Suarez is a cynical player at best, and with that in mind got his just desserts. And if Terry is found guilty of the same I hope he suffers at least the same punishment.
 
smange said:
So by that reasoning it must really do your head in that people have for 25 years been calling Maradonna a cheat;)

Or is that not ok because he wasnt a Liverpool player and it was against England:whistle:
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I dont mate, Scouse not English. Not as good a handball by Joe Jordan at Anfield, which got you to one of the world cups in the first place, not many since I've noticed.
 
bladeplayer said:
I dont agree Gareth i would have done the same the very same , take the sending off for my team & country , & i would have jumped for joy when it was missed ..
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Liverbirdie said:
+1 bladeplayer. If an English player had done the same and we then got in the final, he would be a national hero.
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So you would stand on the side line, juming for joy, happy as larry that your blatent cheating has earned your country a win and a place in a world cup final.

Do you also tee your ball up in the rough :D
 
this discussion is getting out of hand, its all about suarez and his 8 match ban nothing to do with his handball.

Im a big liverpool fan and yes i do think its a harsh decision to get a 8 match ban but any supporter would if it was their player. At the end of the day its one players word against the other. And the FA have surprisingly gone with man united side of the story surprise surprise!!

I think lfc will appeal against the case and he will probably get a 2 match reduction. Racism shouldnt be aloud in any sport. Fair dues to suarez for admitting he called evra a negro and also saying he didnt hear evra insult him even though evra has admitted he did. Obviously we will be waiting to see what action will be taken against him!!

As someone as said if this was a court case it would lead to nothing due to not enough evidence.

Imagine the scenario, someone goes into town calls someone a racist name and then they report it to the police, nothing would come of it!!

Footballers do need to man up abit in my opinion...

Look at leicester tigers tuilagi punching incident on chris ashton, manu got a 4 week ban for that, imagine if that was in a football match!!
 
Liverbirdie said:
I dont mate, Scouse not English. Not as good a handball by Joe Jordan at Anfield, which got you to one of the world cups in the first place, not many since I've noticed.
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Perfect example and well put but we Scottish football fans have been saying since then that using your hand to get an advantage is perfectly acceptable, hence no complaints about Maradona;)

Back on topic though, I think you are letting your allegiance to your club cloud your judgement on this

Suarez has admitted calling Evra a name relating to the colour of his skin, that is racial abuse. Im not for one second saying Suarez is a rascist but he committed an offence against the rules of the F.A and has been rightly punished.

As I said earlier in the thread, if you or I had said it while sitting in the stand watching a match we would be arrested and face a ban from all football grounds in the country. Maybe Suarez and Liverpool should think about that and be grateful that its only 8 games and £40K
 
bigfoot1985 said:
this discussion is getting out of hand, its all about suarez and his 8 match ban nothing to do with his handball.

Im a big liverpool fan and yes i do think its a harsh decision to get a 8 match ban but any supporter would if it was their player. At the end of the day its one players word against the other. And the FA have surprisingly gone with man united side of the story surprise surprise!!
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No it wasnt and no they havent.

Suarez ADMITTED he said it. Case closed
 
smange said:
Perfect example and well put but we Scottish football fans have been saying since then that using your hand to get an advantage is perfectly acceptable, hence no complaints about Maradona;)

Back on topic though, I think you are letting your allegiance to your club cloud your judgement on this

Suarez has admitted calling Evra a name relating to the colour of his skin, that is racial abuse. Im not for one second saying Suarez is a rascist but he committed an offence against the rules of the F.A and has been rightly punished.

As I said earlier in the thread, if you or I had said it while sitting in the stand watching a match we would be arrested and face a ban from all football grounds in the country. Maybe Suarez and Liverpool should think about that and be grateful that its only 8 games and £40K
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Not so much on this subject though, as I have said from the beginning he should be banned.

However, if on Saturday someone called someone a ginger ba****d or a fat git, or a porridge*** and someone was banned for say 4 games, there would be uproar. I am all for punishment, and yes even to LFC players, but as long as it is evenhanded and proportionate. Rascism is a cancer that needs stamping out, but dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Scotland, a bastion of non-cheating, I'll have to remember that.
 
Liverbirdie said:
I am all for punishment, and yes even to LFC players, but as long as it is evenhanded and proportionate. Rascism is a cancer that needs stamping out, but dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Someone commented earlier (I forget who) saying that the FA's minumum punishment for racism on the pitch is either 6 or 7 games. Is that not proportionate to what he's received?
 
Anyhow, I'm off to Wigan. I'll try to stay off the pies, but will fail miserably.

Anyone else out at matches tonight?

I really hope there are four highly controversial decisions in every match tonight, for some reason. I can't think of why though. I can't get that smiley up, so I will whistle for you, innocently......
 
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