Suarez given 8 match ban!!! so what about Terry?

[A1ex]

quote - It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

So why the long ban??

You can make a racist comment without being inherently racist. One moment of madness etc.

Luis hasn't been charged with being a racist person, he's been charged with using a racially insulting term. That is the rather huge difference.

 

[Tiger]

I'm black British and some of the comments on this thread have saddened me immensely. Make as many excuses for Suarez as you want it only serves to reinforce the excuse culture in this country surrounding any form of discrimination be that sexism, homophobia, racism etc

 

[bigfoot1985]

yes but also the problem is if it was the other way round the whole thing is look upon differently isnt it!!

 

[Atticus_Finch]

I'm white British. Don't quite know what difference it makes.

 

[MadAdey]

I'm black British and some of the comments on this thread have saddened me immensely. Make as many excuses for Suarez as you want it only serves to reinforce the excuse culture in this country surrounding any form of discrimination be that sexism, homophobia, racism etc

People are not making excuses for Suarez, racism has no place in the modern world. What people are saying is Suarez used a term that is not considered racist in his native country that he grew up in. He was naive and did not realise what he said was wrong, why would he admit to it if he thought it was. It was only Evra's word against Suarez.

 

[bigfoot1985]

ok what i am saying is, in my home town a white girl got attacked on the high street. The attackers were samalians and the white girl has pressed charges for an racist attack. This went to court and to no surprise they got away with it even know there was cctv of the whole incident.

So what im saying is if this was 4 white girls attacking a black girl... you know the answer yourself

 

[Tiger]

Just reinforcing my point fellas

 

[jammag]

The problem I see in this country is that most of the country is white. So more than likely have not ever come across racist abuse aimed at themselves, me included. Now I do not know how it feels to be racially abused but I imagine it is some of the worse abuse you could possibly face as it isnt a choice as to what race you are born and people should be proud of who they are not feel ashamed about being born white, asian, black or anything else. I dont think anyone unless they have been through it themselves can comment on if they would find that remark offensive. I find it very hard for people to say oh its fine because it isnt derogatory in his homelands. That makes no difference what so ever. When you live in a country you abide by there rules, you wouldnt go drive a car in the left hand lane in the us just because its ok to do so in your own country? What also saddens me is how peoples views on this matter are affected by the club they support in most cases you need to look at this in other ways than just man utd v liverpool this is a real life scenario between 2 human beings.

Now with the suarez incident hes admitted to using a word and evra found it offensive. Evra reported the racist remarks, not reporting someone for being a racist. In fact I believe evra in his evidence said he did not believe suarez is a racist person but he still found those remarks offensive. I think liverpool have not done themselves any favours by letting dalgleish keep talking about it in press conferences calling evra a liar, where as fergie just purely said if he wishes to report it and follow it through that they will support him and it was left at that. I dont believe suarez can be prosecuted unless evra wishes to follow it up with the police. Where as I believe terrys went to the police because it was reported and ferdinand said he was happy to press charges if he is guilty. What I find interesting is the fact suddenly chelsea have gone and sorted out a deal very quickly for another england defender so i am guessing there maybe something in it but who knows until its gone through the courts.

 

[jammag]

ok what i am saying is, in my home town a white girl got attacked on the high street. The attackers were samalians and the white girl has pressed charges for an racist attack. This went to court and to no surprise they got away with it even know there was cctv of the whole incident.

So what im saying is if this was 4 white girls attacking a black girl... you know the answer yourself

im sorry but that is a terrible thing to say. thats basically saying samalians natives can get away with attacking other races but whites cant. It may not of been a racist attack they could of done it because she was female. Without backing it up with evidence how can you judge that it was a racist attack or was it just because it was 4 somalians that you assume it must of been a racist attack?

 

[Scouser]

Surely if it went to the police & they found him not guilty on the same evidence he can sue the FA out the door ...

I would very much doubt it.....

I work with the police a lot in my job and at times they dont have enough evidence to convict....dont forget a court of law MUST BE 100% certain you are guilty. Because of my job i can sometimes work on the balance of probability that it happened .....be it 49 - 51%.... my reaction has to be proportionate to the incident though!

 

[smange]

Sorry but you are wrong.

He admitted to nothing and completely denied making a racist remark. He clarified what he said. His clarification is not an admission to guilt. He did not use the word negro he used the word negrito. Much of the press are interpreting his clarification as an admission to guilt. Not so

Negrito does not translate to the word negro in English. In fact there is no direct translation of the word. In the same way as Jock, Scouse or Taffy would not translate into Spanish. There is no dispute negrito is not considered offensive in South America, just as Taffy would not be here. The tribunal took it upon themselves to interpret word negrito as racist. How can they possibly interpret a word often used in a friendly manner in Suarez’s tongue into an offensive word in England.

I’m convinced it would not stand up in proper court. He is being used as a scapegoat to demonstrate to FIFA and UEFA. Look that’s how we deal with racism. That is not justice

So it means pal??

Would he have used the same term if it had been Ryan Giggs that he had the tussle with?

If the answer to that is no then he has brought the colour of Evras skin into it therefore making it a rascist and offensive comment

Let me ask you this

If I was sitting behind you at a match and called an opposing black player "negrito" would you think I was calling him pal or would you think I was insulting him?

 

[Hobbit]

I'm black British and some of the comments on this thread have saddened me immensely. Make as many excuses for Suarez as you want it only serves to reinforce the excuse culture in this country surrounding any form of discrimination be that sexism, homophobia, racism etc

So what were the excuses and what were valid comments raised by posters? And if you feel there have been racist comments report them to the mods.

My defence of Suarez is based on the semantics between Spannish/Mexican & Spannish/Uraguayan. If you feel that I'm wrong then debate it.

With regard to racial discrimination; I've experienced it whilst living abroad, inc being stabbed for it, and I've experienced it many times in this country. Apart from one or two posts in this thread I don't make the same leap you have...

 

[Tiger]

So what were the excuses and what were valid comments raised by posters? And if you feel there have been racist comments report them to the mods.

My defence of Suarez is based on the semantics between Spannish/Mexican & Spannish/Uraguayan. If you feel that I'm wrong then debate it.

With regard to racial discrimination; I've experienced it whilst living abroad, inc being stabbed for it, and I've experienced it many times in this country. Apart from one or two posts in this thread I don't make the same leap you have...

I've not accused anyone of being racist on this thread. And have made my point already. This perspective has been echoed by others. My issue lies with claims of semantics. There are none. Suarez used a term that Evra felt was racially offensive. He's admitted to using the term. The independent FA panel has deemed that it was reasonable for Evra to find the term racially offensive. Whether or not he knew the term could be deemed offensive in this country is irrelevant. The minimum punishment the FA can dish out is 7 games he got 8.

Club allegiance is clouding the issue. It's akin to excusing sexist comments at the office Xmas party as banter or using the word gay as a negative adjective.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Having read through this it does seem to be getting a tad out of hand and a little personal and nationalistic and club loyalties shine through. Nothing wrong with that and as a proud England and Fulham fan I like to stand up in any football debate. Just needs refocussing a little on here and looking back at the OP. I don't think anyone will be able to say with cast iron certainty except Suarez and Evra exactly what was said and by whom.

He's had his punishment and its up to Liverpool now to decide to back the player and appeal or take it and do without him. The same with Terry. Now he's going to be charged, let the law takes it course and then see what punishment if any the FA hand out afterwards although I'd say any custodial sentence will be the end of his England days.

 

[One Planer]

yes but also the problem is if it was the other way round the whole thing is look upon differently isnt it!!

Having read through this it does seem to be getting a tad out of hand and a little personal and nationalistic and club loyalties shine through. Nothing wrong with that and as a proud England and Fulham fan I like to stand up in any football debate. Just needs refocussing a little on here and looking back at the OP. I don't think anyone will be able to say with cast iron certainty except Suarez and Evra exactly what was said and by whom.

He's had his punishment and its up to Liverpool now to decide to back the player and appeal or take it and do without him. The same with Terry. Now he's going to be charged, let the law takes it course and then see what punishment if any the FA hand out afterwards although I'd say any custodial sentence will be the end of his England days.

I think I read earlier Homer that the maximum sentence the law carrier for what he has been charged with is a £2500 fine!

I think he could find that in his cars ash tray. Pisses me off :rant:

 

[bluewolf]

And to top it all off, the mighty 'Tics have held Liverpool to a draw... No doubt dalgliesh will blame the result on the distraction of the Suarez case....

 

[rosecott]

ok what i am saying is, in my home town a white girl got attacked on the high street. The attackers were samalians and the white girl has pressed charges for an racist attack. This went to court and to no surprise they got away with it even know there was cctv of the whole incident.

So what im saying is if this was 4 white girls attacking a black girl... you know the answer yourself

Is no-one else appalled by this posting?

 

[Imurg]

Now he's going to be charged, let the law takes it course and then see what punishment if any the FA hand out afterwards although I'd say any custodial sentence will be the end of his England days.

Just being found guilty will be enough. And a 2.5k fine is the tops. Sad but true.
But the damage to his reputation and earning power will be far greater

 

[bigfoot1985]

ok i just have to accept the 8 match ban.. he will become a better player from this!! you'll never walk alone..

 

[bozza]

Don't know if this has been mentioned as I haven't read through all the posts.

A few Liverpool fans are saying this ban will ruin his career and affect his family and its not right people ribbing him and Liverpool fans about it!

By the end of the season it will have been forgotten about and no one will care and I'm sorry if liverpool fans don't like the stick he and them are getting but I'm sure they were loving it when Ferdinand got banned a few years ago for missing a drugs test.

Im sure Suarez isn't racist or Ferdinand a druggie but they both made stupid mistakes and got punished heavily for it.