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Steve williams again

Yes.

If he is/was the best player why has he played like a Chomper of late, you don't lose it like he has done not at that level. You tell me what has happened to him other than losing his coach & Caddie........
 
Okay guys am losing the will to stay up now, you are not putting up a good defence of your Hero so for that reason I am out, have a think about what I have said and sleep on it, I for one will feel better in the morning (I hope) early tee time so till tomorrow Good Night.
 
Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that your deluded to believe such pish.. I am not a woods fan as stated previous, but I admire what he has done. He was a major winner before Williams was even on the scene.
Enjoy your round tomorrow, hopefully when the bud fades u will realise Williams is just a bag handler, nowt more.
 
JT77 said:
Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Mine is that your deluded to believe such pish.. I am not a woods fan as stated previous, but I admire what he has done. He was a major winner before Williams was even on the scene.
Enjoy your round tomorrow, hopefully when the bud fades u will realise Williams is just a bag handler, nowt more.
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Sorry the Bud worn off, bit of a sore head but my views are still the same.
 
So let me get this straight, what you believe is...

The only reason Tiger won anything is because of Steve Williams. Despite the fact that Tiger had already won 6 times including the masters before they joined up?

The only reason Adam Scott won recently was because of Steve Williams, despite Scott winning several times beforehand and, as anyone who knows anything about golf will tell you, changed his putter and started to make putts.
 
Bomber69 said:
Yes.

If he is/was the best player why has he played like a Chomper of late, you don't lose it like he has done not at that level. You tell me what has happened to him other than losing his coach & Caddie........
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He also changed his watch, his shaving cream, and aftershave, are these attributable to his slump?

You try losing your wife, children and self respect then see how much you concentrate on that 3 foot putt when you're already a zillionaire!

Tiger will be back, he won't be the same but nothing ever is, change is inevitable and part of life.
 
Sorry Bomber......

But this is the biggest load of Conversational Gonads I've ever heard/read.

Where's the "shakes head in utter despair at the state of Humanity" smley......?
 
In summary then:

Nicklaus didn't win 18 majors his caddy did.
Tiger didn't win 14 majors his ex caddy did.
Watson, Seve, Hogan, Player didn't win their majors their....zzzzzzzz.
I need to hire myself a top caddy and then suddenly I'll be a +6 handicap...won't I?
Tiger's phenomenal putting was down to Steve.

:p
 
Statistic's suggest Adam Scott was already in pretty good form before Steve became his bagman. Steve caddied for AS for the US and British Open's. A missed cut and tied 25th.......Steve must had missed and yearned for Tiger, otherwise AS would had won if Steve was on his game. Correct Bomber? :)
Since his win, there's not much to write home about.

Why the hate towards Tiger? Did he hurt your feelings when he ignored and declined your request for an autograph? lol
 
Tiger's form clearly has nothing to do with his persistent knee problems then? It has more to do with losing a loud mouthed bag carrier. Tiger simply cannot swing the club like he used to, and he has lost some confidence with his putter. Williams is a caddy. That is all. He is also a complete ***. Tiger is too. They deserved each other. That is why it worked so well. If tiger can find a swing where his knees can hold up, he will win again, regardless of who is on his bag. If Williams can find a golfer in a bit of form, he may luck out again, but it will be 90% down to the golfer whose bag he carries.
 
I would ban Williams for life.

Good slant here in this article I read today................sums it up well.

[h=3]THE MORE GOLF CHANGES ... THE MORE IT STAYS THE SAME[/h]

FROM THE GOLF.COM WEBSITE
By ALAN SHIPNUCK, Senior Writer, Sports Illustrated
The silence following Williams's racial insult shows how little golf has changed
A few years ago, a trio of Sports Illustrated staffers were invited to tee it up at a fancy golf club in Westchester County, New York. When the first two arrived, the club staff was gracious and welcoming, helping to situate these outsiders, both of whom happened to be white guys.
The third SI staffer was African-American. He was dressed pretty much the same as his colleagues and drove a similarly utilitarian car. Upon his arrival, a club employee brusquely directed him to the caddie shack, assuming he was an itinerant looper (caddie).
Eventually apologies were made and a conciliatory letter from the club president was sent around, but this episode has always underscored for me the casual and insidious racism that exists in too many corners of the golf world.
Steve Williams, famously fired by Tiger Woods, has now given this issue a very public airing. Earlier this week in Shanghai, site of the HSBC Champions, golf's professional caddies gathered for a boozy banquet at which they feted themselves.
In a large room boasting players, reporters, tour officials and other golf dignitaries, Williams received an award for "Celebration of the Year," commemorating his over-the-top gloating in the wake of a victory by his new boss, Adam Scott.
With a nod to Woods, Williams said from the dais, "It was my aim to shove it right up that black b------."
Twenty-one years ago the ugly Shoal Creek controversy was supposed to change the face of golf. The revelation that many of the country's top golf clubs had exclusionary membership practices based on race led to a period of painful self-examination for the sport.
Woods turned pro five years after Shoal Creek and became a cross-cultural icon by exorcising a few of the game's ghosts with a transcendent victory at the 1997 Masters, a tournament co-founded by Clifford Roberts, who is reputed to have once said:
"As long as I'm alive, golfers will be white and caddies will be black."
But how much has really changed since then? With Joseph Bramlett having lost his card, Woods remains the only African-American on the US PGA Tour, and, as Williams made graphically clear, Tiger is still defined by his blackness.
"He takes one word out of that sentence, and nothing gets said about it," Graeme McDowell said of Williams's incendiary remark.
But that one word means everything, largely because of golf's shameful history of racism. It took nearly three decades after Jackie Robinson broke baseball's colour barrier for the first African-American to play in the Masters. The wounds are still raw. Pioneering black golfer Charlie Sifford never got to drive down Magnolia Lane to the old plantation house that is the Augusta National clubhouse; a couple of weeks ago Sifford, 89, told the Los Angeles Times," F--- Augusta."
It says a lot about golf that in the wake of Williams's comment the sport's firmament has offered almost no critique. The HSBC is part of the US PGA Tour's attempt to colonise Asia, and in the 24 hours after the Williams story broke there was not a peep about it on pgatour.com, nor did any US Tour official weigh in.
US PGA Tour commissioner Tim Finchem and European tour chief executive George O'Grady have since issued a statement. The takeaway is that Williams will go unpunished, spared even a symbolic slap on the wrist.
If he worked for a large corporation, Williams would have already been fired.
The messiness of real life doesn't fit with the Stepford image the US PGA Tour tries to peddle to sponsors. Players like Lee Westwood and Ian Poulter refused to comment, while Adam Scott mouthed a version of the company line in saying, "I think everything in that room was all in good spirits and for a bit of fun. And I think [what Williams said] probably got taken out of that room in the wrong context."
More galling than the apologists are the deniers. When I raised the specter of Shoal Creek on Twitter, US Ryder Cup captain Paul Azinger shot back: "Shoal Crk? Really? Your president is black! ... Shoot a score, get on tour! What's race got to do with that?"
Like it or not, he's our president, and Barack Obama is also an enthusiastic golfer. Pretend for a minute that Obama was not a famous politician, but merely an anonymous graduate of Harvard Law. If he showed up at an exclusive country club, would he be directed to the pro shop or to Steve Williams's caddie shack​
 
Enough people outside golf think it is old, stuffy, and bigotted. Do we really need sw to be in the news more than the golfers hitting the ball? time to go.
 
I can understand Scott not wanting to bin SW until after the WGC - big upheavel for him having to change bagman halfway round.
I'm expecting Scott to sack him this week - otherwise he could get tarnished.
 
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