Stack & Tilt Brainwashing

I am with Bob too. As far as I can see, the only point in trying to reinvent the wheel with any of these new swing magic bullet ideas, is to make money. S&T is a perfect example.

That said, if S&T works for you then great, I wish you every success. I would never try it though as I personally believe it is a load of cobblers and entirely the wrong way to swing a golf club. Live and let live though - each to their own and all that.....

I have always thought that if you want a better swing then look at Sam Snead, Seve, Elkington, Els and Watson (Tom, not that hick idiot Bubba) and try and copy what they do. It is not hard....practice in front of a mirror or patio doors and your swing will look better and you will probably hit the ball better too.

Load up the right side! Lovely....
 
Having enjoyed a beer and a an hour in Justone's company as he went through it I can see how it works and where hes is coming from. I have to confess I did go away from our meeting and try it and yes, there were some positve ball striking results. However I then had a big dose of the sh**ks. Coincidence? Maybe.

As you know I'm a bit of a dabbler (amongst other things) and fancied getting a formal lesson to try and get the rudiments in place but really couldn't find anyone locally who was able to teach it. I think this may be the biggest problem. People have heard of it but there is nowhere to learn it so they try and teach themselves off theinternet, DVD or using the book and get themselves in a pickle and so go back to a more "conventional" method.

To throw another concept into the mix, the new pro I'm seeing uses the Jim Hardy Plane Truth system http://www.planetruthgolf.com/ which looks at whether the pupil is or would benefit from a one or two piece swing and then goes from there. As a member there are videos linked specifically to what we've covered in the lesson so I can see what I should be doing and practice the drills they have too.
 
Sorry but to me S&T is Rubbish. Ok for some maybe or maybe not. Are some of these S&T treads not just a dig&stir it up thing?? Not saying any more but I think you get my drift!!!!!!:ears: ...
 
stevek1969 said:
One question ,why is a draw the shot the occurs with this swing ?
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Just because you hit the ball with an in-to-out path relative to the clubface, the same way you'd hit a draw with any type of golf swing. From what I've understood it just tries to ensure you never get stuck on your back foot thus cutting across the ball.

I've bought and read the book. A lot of it makes sense to me, and some of it I don't like. They've never claimed to have reinvented the wheel from what I can tell, but as someone else mentioned above they've looked for similarities in some of the most successful swings ever and picked bits and pieces from them.

I'm going to give it a go. It might work, it might not, but it's only a game. If I go backwards then fair enough, I might have to go back to what I have now, but I'm not playing to feed my children so in the grand scheme of things it matters not.
 
Over the past 30 years (my time in golf) there have been a succession of gurus and methods. There was the Golfing Machine (example Bobby Clampett), a very (bio-)mechanical method, Jimmy Ballard's connection method (Curtis Strange), Leadbetter (Faldo and Price), Harmon (individualised to the pupil), one-plane/1-plane, X-factor (Jim McLean), Sean Foley (God know's what his method is) and S&T. Some of these methods have fallen out of vogue, others have diluted into general teaching. There have been a few other less well known teachers well-respected in the game but not so well known to the public. The eccentric Mac O'Grady is a good example of one of these, and there have also been a few cranks who sold their wares on golf infomercials. Dalton McCrary is probably a decent example of these, but by no means the weirdest.

The only certainty is that there will be another revolutionary method along shortly.
 
Region3 said:
Just because you hit the ball with an in-to-out path relative to the clubface, the same way you'd hit a draw with any type of golf swing. From what I've understood it just tries to ensure you never get stuck on your back foot thus cutting across the ball.

I've bought and read the book. A lot of it makes sense to me, and some of it I don't like. They've never claimed to have reinvented the wheel from what I can tell, but as someone else mentioned above they've looked for similarities in some of the most successful swings ever and picked bits and pieces from them.

I'm going to give it a go. It might work, it might not, but it's only a game. If I go backwards then fair enough, I might have to go back to what I have now, but I'm not playing to feed my children so in the grand scheme of things it matters not.
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Do you reckon the books worth a read then Gary?, could be interesting as you said nothing vetured nothing gained.
 
stevek1969 said:
Do you reckon the books worth a read then Gary?, could be interesting as you said nothing vetured nothing gained.
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I think it's worth a read, whether or not you end up putting any of it into practice. I maybe wouldn't say so for anyone that's happy with their swing or their ongoing progress with a current coach, but then they wouldn't be looking in the first place I guess.

Even if I don't end up using any of the ideas in the book I will have learnt a little more about the golf swing and why certain things happen.
 
Monty_Brown said:
For me the key benefit is understanding the swing better. Every move has a reason and a benefit. There's no waffle and it's all explained according to the laws of physics, rather than repeating accepted wisdoms that turn out to be wrong.

Benefits: consistent ball shape (draw), better ball striking, easily repeatable moves in the swing.
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Tosh!:blah:
 
DelB said:
Personally, I'm fed up reading about it. There are now four or five threads on the subject. No need! :mad:
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Don't read them then :confused::confused:


There are currently 4 threads being discussed about it, now 5 if you include this one, big deal... it's a GOLF FORUM and whilst it's nice to talk about which is the best ball and how far your drives go there are actually some of us that want to discuss our golf swings... would that be OK with you?

I'm all for having a S&T subforum so that you can avoid it. Until that time comes I guess you're going to keep whinging everytime there's more than ONE thread about it?? Maybe you should PM MikeH and share your concerns that we're busy discussing golf and you don't like it.


Right what's the best ball... and what colour Galvin Greens are the best? :whistle:
 
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