Stack and Tilt - Downside ?

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All, I'd be interested on you views on this.

I've recently started playing again after 5 years. I've put in about 8 rounds over the past few months and whilst my scores have been comming down, 120 down to 99, I'm just very inconsistent with my shots in accuracy and distance.

I was in the US in Sept and was watching the golf channel and saw a piece on the "Stack and Tilt" swing. So I read up on it on the net and decided to give it a go at the range last week.

I consistently made a much purer contact with the ball, hit the ball longer and much straighter than I think I ever have.

So I gave it a go on my next round. Knocked 4 shots of my previous best round and it just felt so much more natural for me. It could have been about 5 or 6 shots less as the first few holes my mid-iron approach shots went flying over the green into thick rough with the extra distance I'm now getting.

Now, me being me im thinking this is too good to be true.

Not being any kind of expert I could do with some advice. There must be a downside somewhere, right ? What is it ?

I'm out again tomorrow and going to give it another go to see if it was just a 'fluke'.

Thanks
Westy
 
I must be missing something here!What is this theory 'stack and tilt'>where have I been to miss this revolution?Any www.'s to log onto or mags to read?(might come in handy for tomorrow's 4 ball)

God help me if I don't master this new wonder(?)answer!

HELP!!! :o
 
This is right up my street.

Stack and tilt is a very good method to get you hitting the ball cleaner and improving the consistency of the bottom of your arc. Anyone off high numbers ought to see a great improvement in a short time.
BUT, and this is the KILLER, the theory essentially promotes the idea of zero-pivot and therefore minimum weight transfer.
I've been experimenting with it and can hit awesome irons at times, but it's messed up my long clubs big time. I've been shallowing out so pricesely that with the big clubs the ball is coming out of the top of the face....
As good as it is (and quite clever too!) there are lots of us out there who will actually LOSE a lot of clubhead speed as we lose the ooomph of a decent weight shift from back foot to front through the ball.
If you weren't hitting the ball great before, it might seems a godsend because better hit = better flight, if you can hit the ball already, it might cost distance.
That's my take.
 
REalgolferuk(Dave)are you saying that you then need 2 types of swing? 1 for irons and 1 for the woods??????Sorry am more confused than ever!

I really don't think this is going to be in play tomorrow!
Will just have to trust to luck(again)!! :p
 
Dave, thanks for the reply.

You've described my situation exactly, I've been having trouble making a good connection, and as you say this seems like a godsend for me at the moment.

But I think what you're saying is this is only going to take me so far. This was my exact worry.

At some point down the road I'm going to need to revert to a 'conventional' swing to progress any further. Which will probably mean a big step backwards when(if) that time comes.

Westy
 
I seem to recall from the golf channel when it was on sky that a few players use this method, I think Baddeley and scott. Jim Maclean was going on about it.

If it was so good, wouldn't all the pro's be using it?

Not sure what it involves, not checked the link yet
 
Just found this after googling.

http://www.wikihow.com/Learn-the-Stack-and-Tilt-Golf-Swing

Certainly interesting, and I understand why. However, will it screw up everything? Well for those of you that have seen me play, I have very little left to screw up :D

Murph, Sammmebee & Blindpete might like to comment at this point.

Thinking about it though, I think that some of my better shots happen when I do keep my weight forward. But of course I can't see myself swing.
 
Avoid, avoid, avoid.

In theory, very plausible, great striking for the shorter irons. Nightmare to hit a driver with, I think Baddeley et al have shifted to high lofted drivers. Those guys, apart from being talented pro's, have coaches who specialise in S & T on call.

Who you gonna call? (sorry, couldn't resist).

Stick to the tried and trusted basics. If your not hitting as well as you think, go and see a pro, you will be spoiled for choice for pro's who teach the "orthodox" methods.

Mike Weir and Baddeley are the most prominent exponents of S & T. Check out some Youtube video of Weir, you will see evidence of the technique on the mock takeaway he does before he strikes the ball.
 
This may be a working model for many a golfer, as are other methods out there. No one works their body exactly the same, some people late to the game may have physical difficulty playing by the book, thats what a good pro teacher is for.

This method however, I believe may have damaging charactoristics to some people if adopted for a lengthy period of time.Anything that feels un natural to the body and physically unacceptable to some, probably is!
 
You dont need to stack and tilt to hit the ball crisp with slight compression; i see it as shortcut to having a good orthodox swing/technique that will accomplish this naturally, if the weight transfer is correct and the hands and clubface are correctly positioned at impact;

eg: Sergio Garcia achieves massive compression on the ball from his irons with an ortodox swing.

Almost encouraging a reverse pivot in the swing as with Stack and Tilt will need extremely accurate compensation to make it work effectively at a high level through the bag.
 
The stack and tilt swing is for players who hook the ball and have a fear of the left or right in mike wiers case,could ruin your game if you slice normally
 
I also post, or should I say, occasionally thesedays, post on an american website where stack & tilt seems to be for most of them, the best thing since sliced bread... rofl... there's that word again. Personally nearly every other post & thread contained something about stack & tilt at one point, for me it got quite boring. As stated earlier, its a great idea for wedge play, will keep things grounded & centered when you need accuracy of a short shot, or where a player has say previously suffered from a hipslide instead of proper weight transfer, it takes out a variable, but generally it also promotes certain swing faults. Like with most things its something that might benifit some players, but could be potentially be a nightmare for other players & a step or more backwards for others.

As for somone saying everything on the golf channel was rubbish, well if you are talking about adverts for certain clubs etc', then yes I'd say complete bunkum. I mean who actually was daft enough to buy a Northwestern Pro driver...? But some of the technique advice was very good on the golf channel & the advice that was not worth a fig even a five year old could spot instantly by the naff production & worse presentation, but some was extremely good. I would have some issues with some things the fat old guy from NASA came up with with his putting robot, & the straight back & through idea, which tbh played havock with my natural putting stroke for ages, but his wedge play advice was actually very good imo.
 
The fat old guy you mentioned its pro Dave Pelz,Phil Mickelsons short game coach he a clever guy,thing is with the golf channel its full of coaches trying to teach things what dont matter just to get a name for himself like that Jim Mclean and that x-factor move it just baffles my brain
 
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