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Sports persons taking the knee

bluewolf said:
Because they’re German, therefore have a different culture. It may not be polar opposite of British culture, but it is different.
The food, style, history, storytelling, music, dance etc are different.
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Really. I have spent a lot of time in Germany and find the differences miniscule. As a matter of fact I find Germans just about as close as you get to British other that the obvious commonwealth countries.
 
SocketRocket said:
Really. I have spent a lot of time in Germany and find the differences miniscule. As a matter of fact I find Germans just about as close as you get to British other that the obvious commonwealth countries.
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I would very politely suggest that what you’ve experienced is a result of multiculturalism. German culture has some significant differences. They all love David bloody Hasselhoff!

Also, I wish you’d been around when the kids on the estate found out my family was German. Trust me, they politely explained all the differences.
 
bluewolf said:
we actually agree on this. We may not agree 100% on the cause though.

My sister lives in Spain. She was adamant that she wanted to move to a multicultural area. She moved to a place called Ayamonte on the southern coast. It’s a holiday resort for rich Madridians (sp?). Her neighbours are mainly Spanish, but also German, Scandi, Middle Eastern, Far Eastern. She’s now fluent in 4 languages and absolutely loves her new hometown. She worked incredibly hard, but what made it easier was the acceptance she had from her neighbours.
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That's great, she's integrated and made the effort to fit alongside people from other countries.
 
bluewolf said:
we actually agree on this. We may not agree 100% on the cause though.

My sister lives in Spain. She was adamant that she wanted to move to a multicultural area. She moved to a place called Ayamonte on the southern coast. It’s a holiday resort for rich Madridians (sp?). Her neighbours are mainly Spanish, but also German, Scandi, Middle Eastern, Far Eastern. She’s now fluent in 4 languages and absolutely loves her new hometown. She worked incredibly hard, but what made it easier was the acceptance she had from her neighbours.
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Where your sis is sounds great, it sounds that everyone has embraced the local culture and not clung on to there own to the exclusion of others.
 
Fade and Die said:
If it worked like that then no one could surely have any problem with it, but unfortunately it doesn’t, Multiculturalism seems like one way traffic, it seems like every other Cultures in this country should be celebrated (nothing wrong with that) but seems our own Culture is racists bigots and slave traders, responsible for all the world’s problems and we should be permanently ashamed of it!



Phil I’m not sure you understand what’s being discussed here. It’s culture not race. I’ve never had a problem with the colour of anyone skin. Ever.
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Fade and Die said:
I get the food bit but what else do you think multiculturalism has bought to Britain? I’ve never seen real Integration anywhere (except maybe when I was a kid on the isle of dogs and we were all just “islanders”)
I worry that multiculturalism excludes me a white middle aged man... Whenever I hear politicians saying they want more multiculturalism I think what they really mean is they want less me!
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This is what i was responding too ? You didn’t say “English middle class Male” - which would suggest culture - you mentioned your skin colour
 
bluewolf said:
I would very politely suggest that what you’ve experienced is a result of multiculturalism. German culture has some significant differences. They all love David bloody Hasselhoff!

Also, I wish you’d been around when the kids on the estate found out my family was German. Trust me, they politely explained all the differences.
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I went to school not long after the War (not WW1) and remember the anti German feelings of the time. I had a punch up with a bully who was intimidating a friend of mine who had a German Mother, I didn't come out of it well though.

The differences in Germany were quite small, the language being one but it's the nearest to English due to our common Anglo Saxon ancestors. I love the country and have some of my best friends there.

They also like Monty Python and Mr Bean .
 
Fade and Die said:
If it worked like that then no one could surely have any problem with it, but unfortunately it doesn’t, Multiculturalism seems like one way traffic, it seems like every other Cultures in this country should be celebrated (nothing wrong with that) but seems our own Culture is racists bigots and slave traders, responsible for all the world’s problems and we should be permanently ashamed of it!

Phil I’m not sure you understand what’s being discussed here. It’s culture not race. I’ve never had a problem with the colour of anyone skin. Ever.
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1) I dont think anyone is saying you should not celebrate all things British.. there is plenty to celebrate. Those who choose to live here, should abide by its customs and should be able to enrich it, I would not mind if someone brings some home made samosas for Christmas lunch (thats because i am a glutton)

2) Britian is not responsible for ALL current problems... but it cant deny its role in its colonies. It is similar to other colonial powers - french, german, portugese etc. I think i read a story about the grandson of General Dyer or Radcliffe visited the place where General Dyer oversaw the massacre of unarmed indians and apologsed.. similarly i think there was a documentary of the grand daugther of one of the a high ranking British official who was in power during the Bengal famine visiting Bengal. She had never know what her grandfather's role but broke down when she saw it firt hand. She met some of the survivors and apologies but was given a hug.. The dicotomy comes when the Canterbury Archbishop said he was ashmed of what happened at Jallianwalla but David Cameron refused to apologied.

I dont think an average Indian expects an average Brit to apologise - but they do find it inexcusable/hilarious when a Brit says 'look at the benefits that the Raj got to India - english education, railway, civil service etc.'
 
If, and it a big if, this is to carry on then I think there needs to be a new gesture. The taking of the knee has too many connotations with the BLM marches which were clearly infiltrated by anarchists. It’s not racist to not want to support that kind of behaviour.
I would go further and say that I really don’t think it’s helping the equality cause.
I don’t think Sky are helping either. The coverage is so OTT now it’s unwatchable. I think they only covered the Millwall QPR game to see if Millwall fans booed. The pre match and post match discussion was all who knelt and who didn’t. Sky Sports News even ran the highlights of players kneeling at matches around the country. Whilst any right minded person understands the importance of dealing with racism, it’s not what customers are paying for and will only antagonise people against the cause.
 
Sweep said:
If, and it a big if, this is to carry on then I think there needs to be a new gesture. The taking of the knee has too many connotations with the BLM marches which were clearly infiltrated by anarchists. It’s not racist to not want to support that kind of behaviour.
I would go further and say that I really don’t think it’s helping the equality cause.
I don’t think Sky are helping either. The coverage is so OTT now it’s unwatchable. I think they only covered the Millwall QPR game to see if Millwall fans booed. The pre match and post match discussion was all who knelt and who didn’t. Sky Sports News even ran the highlights of players kneeling at matches around the country. Whilst any right minded person understands the importance of dealing with racism, it’s not what customers are paying for and will only antagonise people against the cause.
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It’s comments like this that don’t help, every Championship game is available on Sky, Millwall fans booed v Derby on the 5th and Sky showed the Millwall QPR game live on 8th, Sky announced which games were live on the main channels in Mid Nov.

A quick Google would of saved you thinking about it too much.
 
pauldj42 said:
It’s comments like this that don’t help, every Championship game is available on Sky, Millwall fans booed v Derby on the 5th and Sky showed the Millwall QPR game live on 8th, Sky announced which games were live on the main channels in Mid Nov.

A quick Google would of saved you thinking about it too much.
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It’s posts like this that don’t help this forum. We are dealing with the topic of racism and you are so desperate to disagree you actually go with Sky were going to show the game anyway.
Congratulations, I bow to your superior knowledge of Sky scheduling. That must make you feel really good!
It’s a shame that your first reaction seems to be to post something in insulting terms, but that’s a matter for you.
 
Sweep said:
It’s posts like this that don’t help this forum. We are dealing with the topic of racism and you are so desperate to disagree you actually go with Sky were going to show the game anyway.
Congratulations, I bow to your superior knowledge of Sky scheduling. That must make you feel really good!
It’s a shame that your first reaction seems to be to post something in insulting terms, but that’s a matter for you.
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Brilliant, you try the old conspirancy theory which is proven as rubbish and instead of holding your hands up and accepting the proof, you try and spin it back on me??

This post is worse than your first.

Racism is a very serious subject which needs to be dealt with and discussed factually, not by people wearing tin foil hats making up garbage.

Sky Schedule dated 02 Nov:rolleyes:
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...son-november-and-december-games-on-sky-sports
 
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pauldj42 said:
Brilliant, you try the old conspirancy theory which is proven as rubbish and instead of holding your hands up and accepting the proof, you try and spin it back on me??

This post is worse than your first.

Racism is a very serious subject which needs to be dealt with and discussed factually, not by people wearing tin foil hats making up garbage.
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Read again. I accepted that you knew more about Sky scheduling. I didn’t realise the match was scheduled to be broadcast on the main channel. But seriously if that’s all you have to contribute I suggest you refrain and let the adults discuss.

Now, I am not “making up garbage” nor wearing a “tin foil hat”. I am sick and tired of you posting insulting replies to me as your first resort. There is simply too much going on in the world and life is too short to put up with your pathetic little digs and ridiculous posts, so I am going to ignore anything you post and I hope you ignore my posts too. Bye.
 
bluewolf said:
Can I just say, having not been on the forum a lot recently, I’m loving how we can discuss such an emotive subject with humour and general good nature. It makes a refreshing change from previous versions ?
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indeed.. it has some grown up conversation, but being an internet forum, Goodwin's law will kick in at some point and drown things... till then, i m really liking the conversation
 
Sweep said:
Read again. I accepted that you knew more about Sky scheduling. I didn’t realise the match was scheduled to be broadcast on the main channel. But seriously if that’s all you have to contribute I suggest you refrain and let the adults discuss.

Now, I am not “making up garbage” nor wearing a “tin foil hat”. I am sick and tired of you posting insulting replies to me as your first resort. There is simply too much going on in the world and life is too short to put up with your pathetic little digs and ridiculous posts, so I am going to ignore anything you post and I hope you ignore my posts too. Bye.
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You had a dig at the media and stated you believed they are purposely looking to create problems with their scheduling.

A quick google proved you are wrong and your accusations against them are unfounded.

Do you suggest the media ignores the subject? If anything Sky should of been congratulated for keeping the match on and discussing the Millwall crowd behaviour.

Sadly for some people I think they’d rather not have racism discussed as it’s not about them!
 
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