Sports persons taking the knee

[Norrin Radd]

I see that A J isn't going to take the knee before his fight tonight

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I see that A J isn't going to take the knee before his fight tonight

As long as he doesn't take one in the fight

 

[bluewolf]

I see that A J isn't going to take the knee before his fight tonight

What? But that’s scandalous! I thought everyone was being bullied into doing it?

 

[Fade and Die]

Two sided coin.. divisions have been exploited by those who want to. Equally we have gained as a society too - culture, food, language, new perspectives..

I can well understand how that would apply in Hornchurch but for me moving from SW Durham to Leeds 50 years ago it's been nothing but enriching.

Nonsense - many good things come out of having different cultures within society

I get the food bit but what else do you think multiculturalism has bought to Britain? I’ve never seen real Integration anywhere (except maybe when I was a kid on the isle of dogs and we were all just “islanders”)
I worry that multiculturalism excludes me a white middle aged man... Whenever I hear politicians saying they want more multiculturalism I think what they really mean is they want less me!

 

[fundy]

I see that A J isn't going to take the knee before his fight tonight

hell be taking it in round 3 or 4 when Pulev lands flush on his jaw hopefully

 

[SocketRocket]

? Cool, and would this person suggest that one group does this more than another group?

They may suggest that but on the other hand they may not. They may even take the view that who does it the most or least is not what creates the division and lack of integration.

 

[bluewolf]

I get the food bit but what else do you think multiculturalism has bought to Britain? I’ve never seen real Integration anywhere (except maybe when I was a kid on the isle of dogs and we were all just “islanders”)
I worry that multiculturalism excludes me a white middle aged man... Whenever I hear politicians saying they want more multiculturalism I think what they really mean is they want less me!

Why do you assume that multiculturalism refers to non white? My family are German. I’m a product of multiculturalism. I’m white, blue eyed. (Formerly) blonde haired...

 

[bluewolf]

They may suggest that but on the other hand they may not. They may even take the view that who does it the most or least is not what creates the division and lack of integration.

So this person possibly believes that the group most responsible for division and differentiation do not create the division and lack of integration?

 

[SocketRocket]

Why do you assume that multiculturalism refers to non white? My family are German. I’m a product of multiculturalism. I’m white, blue eyed. (Formerly) blonde haired...

What would you suggest makes your German family a different culture.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I get the food bit but what else do you think multiculturalism has bought to Britain? I’ve never seen real Integration anywhere (except maybe when I was a kid on the isle of dogs and we were all just “islanders”)
I worry that multiculturalism excludes me a white middle aged man... Whenever I hear politicians saying they want more multiculturalism I think what they really mean is they want less me!

Surely multi culture is more than just someone’s skin colour being different ? Do you not mix with from all different cultures - learn their ways and see if it can improve your own life. Some cultures have stronger work ethics , some are more creative , some are more disciplined- for centuries the UK has been populated by many different cultures.

 

[bluewolf]

What would you suggest makes your German family a different culture.

Because they’re German, therefore have a different culture. It may not be polar opposite of British culture, but it is different.
The food, style, history, storytelling, music, dance etc are different.

 

[Mudball]

Any bad ones?

I think i agreed to it by saying it is two sided coin in response to @Fade and Die's post.. A post that looks at both sides (but in a workplace situation)
https://www.hult.edu/blog/benefits-challenges-cultural-diversity-workplace/

I get the food bit but what else do you think multiculturalism has bought to Britain? I’ve never seen real Integration anywhere (except maybe when I was a kid on the isle of dogs and we were all just “islanders”)
I worry that multiculturalism excludes me a white middle aged man... Whenever I hear politicians saying they want more multiculturalism I think what they really mean is they want less me!

I completely understand this and this berates me... I have very low threshold for any politicians, as they only care about themselves and pander to the gallery.. To me, multiculturaism is not about me v/s you.. it is about co-existing. it is about removing barriers for any one who is being disadvantaged due to not being native. An Englishman in Spain or France should have the same access to services as a native person provided they are a good citizen and irrespective if they are a white & male (or after January). Unfortunately as we try and dismantle generation of institutional systems, there can be a trend to be try and overcompensate.

Referring to my conversation with my black friend and BLM movement earlier today, he had the same views, it was about taking from one group and giving to another. It is not about equality & wealth re-distribution (aka Communist/Marxist ideology)... its more about equity and have a level playing field

 

[IanM]

Well, the world is multicultural so you can't avoid it. The variety this brings in perspective and experience has to be positive.

But...racists (who can be found in all groups) refuse to accept it, looney lefties seem to think it means self loathing and some countries lock their doors altogether.

The world will continue to move on regardless of the above. Kneeling before sports events will change little on its own, but it keeps the issue prominent. So therefore has value.

 

[SocketRocket]

So this person possibly believes that the group most responsible for division and differentiation do not create the division and lack of integration?

Im not sure why you think that but there are always possibilities, as you suggest.

 

[2blue]

Surely multi culture is more than just someone’s skin colour being different ? Do you not mix with from all different cultures - learn their ways and see if it can improve your own life. Some cultures have stronger work ethics , some are more creative , some are more disciplined- for centuries the UK has been populated by many different cultures.

Yeah.... & 1/2 a century ago I moved down to Yorkshire..... a real culture shock.

 

[Tashyboy]

Mmm, on the one hand I'll agree with you but if the black community use it amongst themselves but won't 'allow' others, that's hypocritical/discriminatory. You can't have it both ways. But that's where semantics come in. We're splitting hairs. In reality, its about intonation. My sister, black(adopted) Fijian often calls me white honky/white n****r. There isn't a single shred of malice in it. And I, in response, occasionally respond in kind, depending on the company we're in - its about context and audience.

Taking the knee; no I won't. Not now, not ever. I realise its about recognising what has gone before, or that's at least the official version, but its beyond that now, and its just a form of inverted racism. If you struggle with that, read up on inverted snobbery.

And to quote my (black) sister who's experienced it all her life, even during the last election from Farage's minions, as have I as we've moved around the world, what a crock of birdcage droppings. History paints a lousy picture, and our own experiences down the years reflect that but its about now. Its about how we all behave now. The respect we give to each other. We all know what went before, and we all know it was appalling in the extreme. But that is the history we recognise and learn from. Practicing the donning of sackcloth and ashes serves no purpose, and in reality rubbing someone's nose in it just causes resentment.

Will I accept taking the knee? No, not now, not ever. As for the ignorant black power salute that some use...... that just shows their ignorance or, perhaps more worryingly, their racism towards whites. However, I will hold hands with anyone, give a leg up to anyone and defend anyone - IRRESPECTIVE of colour, race, religious creed or sexual orientation.

And if you want to take a pop at me for not wanting to take the knee, for most of you I've been where you only think is awful. It is far worse than you can imagine. The daily walk to school etc - seriously, you haven't got a clue. Its how you behave NOW!!!! Defeat it with a smile and a handshake, not a confrontational taking of the knee. Everyone accepts a smile and most will accept a handshake. Does everyone accept taking the knee? No.

You know I read this and thought I agree with 99.9% of this. The spelling is probably better than mine. ? My grief re discussing the subject on this forum is people have agendas. They don’t like certain folk on here through there previous posts on other subjects and they wait to pounce. Eg, I quote a person from Africa which is then turned to me/a middle class white mans saying what is right and wrong. And yet these people are on here to educate and enlighten us. Really.
What I found interesting was Hobbits comments re context and audience. Ave heard this from a gay mixed race jamacan. His words, not mine but am I now wrong for quoting them as a middle class retired anglo Saxon man. Not if we are to learn and educate. Maybe it’s all about “ context and audience”.
Slightly going off topic but to get to a point, I read a fantastic story about a guy Waldemar Haffkine. He invented the cholera and typhoid vaccines. Bottom line the British empire were absolute tossers towards him. But he was a genius. Am sure he is not the only one to suffer at the hands of the British empire. But as Hobbit says. Do we spend a lifetime apologising or learning and educating the people of today.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-55050012

 

[SocketRocket]

Well, the world is multicultural so you can't avoid it. The variety this brings in perspective and experience has to be positive.

But...racists (who can be found in all groups) refuse to accept it, looney lefties seem to think it means self loathing and some countries lock their doors altogether.

The world will continue to move on regardless of the above. Kneeling before sports events will change little on its own, but it keeps the issue prominent. So therefore has value.

If you take the World as a whole it is multicultural but many many countries are not to a large extent or ever look like being so.

There is no problem where someone has a particular religion or prefers a particular dress or food. The problems occur where people prefer not to mix with others outside their culture, prefer to live in an area dominated by their culture, make their homes in another country but make little effort to speak the language. And before anyone mentions it, this applies every bit to British people.

 

[IanM]

Of course that's right Sock'.

I've worked all over the World..and I'm sad to say, there are places much worse than UK is generally. But you can find some right nasties in the UK too... and not all of them fit the generally accepted stereotype.

 

[Fade and Die]

I think i agreed to it by saying it is two sided coin in response to @Fade and Die's post.. A post that looks at both sides (but in a workplace situation)
https://www.hult.edu/blog/benefits-challenges-cultural-diversity-workplace/



I completely understand this and this berates me... I have very low threshold for any politicians, as they only care about themselves and pander to the gallery.. To me, multiculturaism is not about me v/s you.. it is about co-existing. it is about removing barriers for any one who is being disadvantaged due to not being native. An Englishman in Spain or France should have the same access to services as a native person provided they are a good citizen and irrespective if they are a white & male (or after January). Unfortunately as we try and dismantle generation of institutional systems, there can be a trend to be try and overcompensate.

Referring to my conversation with my black friend and BLM movement earlier today, he had the same views, it was about taking from one group and giving to another. It is not about equality & wealth re-distribution (aka Communist/Marxist ideology)... its more about equity and have a level playing field

If it worked like that then no one could surely have any problem with it, but unfortunately it doesn’t, Multiculturalism seems like one way traffic, it seems like every other Cultures in this country should be celebrated (nothing wrong with that) but seems our own Culture is racists bigots and slave traders, responsible for all the world’s problems and we should be permanently ashamed of it!

Surely multi culture is more than just someone’s skin colour being different ?

Phil I’m not sure you understand what’s being discussed here. It’s culture not race. I’ve never had a problem with the colour of anyone skin. Ever.

 

[bluewolf]

If you take the World as a whole it is multicultural but many many countries are not to a large extent or ever look like being so.

There is no problem where someone has a particular religion or prefers a particular dress or food. The problems occur where people prefer not to mix with others outside their culture, prefer to live in an area dominated by their culture, make their homes in another country but make little effort to speak the language. And before anyone mentions it, this applies every bit to British people.

we actually agree on this. We may not agree 100% on the cause though.

My sister lives in Spain. She was adamant that she wanted to move to a multicultural area. She moved to a place called Ayamonte on the southern coast. It’s a holiday resort for rich Madridians (sp?). Her neighbours are mainly Spanish, but also German, Scandi, Middle Eastern, Far Eastern. She’s now fluent in 4 languages and absolutely loves her new hometown. She worked incredibly hard, but what made it easier was the acceptance she had from her neighbours.