Speeding in a thirty limit

[Deleted member 15344]

You just don't get it.

Goodbye.

Got it a long time ago


Have a good day and watch your speed :thup:

 

[williamalex1]

This technology has existed for some considerable time - linking GPS to Engine Management.

I'm waiting for the time when... you enter your destination and the car transports you there - without the necessity of a 'driver'! Conceptually simple; practically challenging! But that's what Engineers love!

It's called a bus pass. with driver or 3wood.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

So LiverpoolPhil.

As you have set yourself up to be the moral compass in this subject, is it safe to assume that

1, you have never broken a speed limit ever
2, you have never been "done" for speeding

just askin

 

[guest100718]

My work takes me to Germany next week, where at certain times I will be going as fast as I possibly can

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So LiverpoolPhil.

As you have set yourself up to be the moral compass in this subject, is it safe to assume that

1, you have never broken a speed limit ever
2, you have never been "done" for speeding

just askin

Have I broken the speed limit - yes I have I have gone over the speed limit at times - do I ensure I don't on all roads - yes

Have I ever been "done" - yes I have been caught speeding

But got an attitude wake up a while back for reasons im not going to divulge

 

[MadAdey]

I think the opening point in this thread has been lost somewhat. Murph was just asking if anyone realised what the tolerance was that you are given when caught speeding. I can't understand the big debate that is going on.

I see speeding like this. There are speed limits put in place to protect motorists and pedestrians. No one can ever have a good excuse to break speed limits, apart from emergency services. I would love to see the speed limits reduced in residential areas to 20MPH, then there might be a chance that people will drive no faster than 30MPH.

I would love to see minimum speed limits put in place to make people drive at a speed that IMO is going to make traffic flow better and stop people getting frustrated which makes them start doing stupid things. Yes I have followed someone on an A-class road doing 30MPH in a 60 zone and I got that annoyed that I over took in a stupid place and nearly hit someone coming towards me.

 

[stevie_r]

My work takes me to Germany next week, where at certain times I will be going as fast as I possibly can

There'll still be someone tailgating you flashing their lights.

 

[guest100718]

There'll still be someone tailgating you flashing their lights.

I got a taxi from the airport last time and my cabbie was tailgating at 150mhp !!! not Ks, mph!

 

[triple_bogey]

My work takes me to Germany next week, where at certain times I will be going as fast as I possibly can

Thats the spirit.........:cheers:

 

[London mike 61]

My work takes me to Germany next week, where at certain times I will be going as fast as I possibly can

Im going to do the same on English roads , and in my car that could mean overtaking pedestrians even !!

 

[Blue in Munich]

Would be relatively straightforward with modern vehicles to 'engineer in' some form of speed governance....

The actual fitting to new vehicles, yes, manufactured in at the factory; retro-fitting to existing vehicles would be nigh on an impossibility, and that assumes that the powers that be get it past the motor industry, which is nowhere near a given.

 

[Blue in Munich]

A few issues. Car speedos over-read speed, so when your indicator says you are doing X you are almost always doing less, but never doing more. Hence the margin for error.

The basic concept of speed limits is a perfectly reasonable one, but it is distorted by local councils attempts to raise money (although that is now changing) and NIMBYs who have pull with a local council and get their part of the road designated as a 30 when it really does not need to be, and it sits in between sections of 40 or 50 providing nice little speed traps. These areas do nothing to promote road safety.

Slow driving causes many accidents by causing clumping of traffic, and MPVs with mothers more interested in looking into the back to tell off the kids off and causing other cars to swerve. These culprits are usually not in the accident but just leave the trail of destruction behind them.

Hell of a lot of truth in that post, particularly the middle paragraph

The changes off speed limits are now done in conjunction with the Highway Agencies using previous collision reports and risks

Areas get reduced speed limits and speed cameras due to previous accidents over a 3 year and then monitored again for 3 years


If an area is a 30 or a 20 it's because there have been previous incidents and there is risk of more collisions unless the speed is culled

The days of making money for councils have been gone for a number of years now

Possibly the least accurate post in this thread. The lowering of a speed limit to 20mph should be done as per the guidance in the appropriate Government publication, and for a number of the existing ones they were nowhere close to meeting the guidelines but were pushed through for the reasons Ethan alludes to, although I see that it has been re-written to make it easier to appease those who think they need them.

The Highways Agency is only responsible for speed limits on the trunk road network. There is an incumbent duty in legislation for the Highway Authority to identify areas that need accident reduction measures, but these do not necessarily mean speed reductions, and cameras do not necessarily go anywhere near the actual accident sites.

 

[Pin-seeker]

17 years of driving & no points on my licence.
But receive 6 points on here for upsetting some one.
Seriously you can't make it up.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hell of a lot of truth in that post, particularly the middle paragraph



Possibly the least accurate post in this thread. The lowering of a speed limit to 20mph should be done as per the guidance in the appropriate Government publication, and for a number of the existing ones they were nowhere close to meeting the guidelines but were pushed through for the reasons Ethan alludes to, although I see that it has been re-written to make it easier to appease those who think they need them.

The Highways Agency is only responsible for speed limits on the trunk road network. There is an incumbent duty in legislation for the Highway Authority to identify areas that need accident reduction measures, but these do not necessarily mean speed reductions, and cameras do not necessarily go anywhere near the actual accident sites.

My OH father teaches speed awareness courses and used to work in traffic and still consults with the highway agency and TV Police when it comes to looking at specific areas that have had collisions and have been deemed at risk

Outside schools is deemed at risk - hence the drop to 20
Residential areas off the main rain ( housing estates ) have been deemed at risk - drop to 20
Areas where pedestrians are large in numbers - at risk - drop to 20

They also look at the figures of collisions over a three period and make recommendations if needed - a recent one was on the Aylesbury to Bicester road - just past the Mazda garage - been dropped to a 40 because of previous history of collisions

As well other traffic calming measures across TV police area including cameras , filtering , chicanes , speed bumps and reductions of speed

The A5 is currently being looked as well

Murph will also find all this out at the speed awareness course

 

[Foxholer]

17 years of driving & no points on my licence.
But receive 6 points on here for upsetting some one.
Seriously you can't make it up.

:rofl:

However, they don't last as long - more like 3 months as opposed to 3 years - and they don't increase the cost of your insurance either!

In both cases though, the 'moral' is the same - it pays to know the limits!

 

[In_The_Rough]

20 MPH be able to walk faster than the cars if they keep up with these silly speed limits. Just another way of raising revenue. More and more cars on our road and they keep lowering speed limits everywhere then start to scratch their heads when there is traffic build up all over the place. The road and transport policy in this country is an absolute joke and motorists get screwed over price wise for a pants transport system.

 

[USER1999]

On a similar subject, as I come off staples corner, and drive towards London, a two lane slip way merges into a two lane A road. It's a 30 limit. Just up the road, where it all gets crazy, with merging traffic, and cyclists trying to do their thing as well, is often a mobile speed trap.

Does this make anything safer?

In my view, the drivers involved would be better off looking out of the windows, and using their mirrors, than staring at the speedo, trying to avoid a fixed penalty. Four into two is bad enough, without worrying about speed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

20 MPH be able to walk faster than the cars if they keep up with these silly speed limits. Just another way of raising revenue. More and more cars on our road and they keep lowering speed limits everywhere then start to scratch their heads when there is traffic build up all over the place. The road and transport policy in this country is an absolute joke and motorists get screwed over price wise for a pants transport system.

The limits are lowered so that if someone gets hit at 20mph they are more likely to survive than being hit at 30mph

As opposed to trying to raise revenue.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

On a similar subject, as I come off staples corner, and drive towards London, a two lane slip way merges into a two lane A road. It's a 30 limit. Just up the road, where it all gets crazy, with merging traffic, and cyclists trying to do their thing as well, is often a mobile speed trap.

Does this make anything safer?

In my view, the drivers involved would be better off looking out of the windows, and using their mirrors, than staring at the speedo, trying to avoid a fixed penalty. Four into two is bad enough, without worrying about speed.

That does seem very hectic

You certainly want drivers to concentrate and be aware of other drivers and cyclists etc

But if you are doing 30mph will you be worried about the speed camera. ?

 

[Foxholer]

The limits are lowered so that if someone gets hit at 20mph they are more likely to survive than being hit at 30mph

Excuse?

As opposed to trying to raise revenue.

Reason?

And probably no attempt to educate likely victims so they can avoid getting hit in the first place!

Has the Congestion Charge actually reduced congestion? Or significantly improved Public Transport? Or is it simply another 'tax' like VAT - that was to fund the cost of EU (as was)!