Smacking

[PhilTheFragger]

There’s some people on here that need a damn good spanking 👍

 

[Khamelion]

So what happens when they do it again ? A harder smack ?

I only write from my experience, but one smack was enough and then the threat of a potential smack was enough to bring me back into line.

Before you go off on the full scale abuse line, lets bring this back a little, we are talking about a smack, not a punch, or a kick.

 

[Khamelion]

There’s some people on here that need a damn good spanking 👍

Now now Phil, please keep to the subject of the thread. No need to go all 50 shades.

 

[Papas1982]

OK, how do you think resource should be allocated?

Quite simply it wouldn’t be to write of a portion of the population simply based on the needs, efforts or costs required to educate them.
There are plenty of able kids who drain finances. Generally kids need C’s and above to go on to college. In a subject. We don’t stop educating kids and wasting money once it becomes clear they may only ever get D’s.

But for a start I’d merge schools. Special schools had there place years ago when let’s be honest people with special needs were treated like 3rd rate citizens. Kids in general don’t treat their piers like we did. Have separate schools and teachers imo wastes money. Have different departments yes. But many disabled kids will be able to learn well with the correct help, just like many able kids won’t pick up a subject no matter how “able” they are.

 

[Khamelion]

Agree completely, all I can see that teaching them as they grow is to give someone a slap when they do something they don't like.

Tantrums happen with kids, it's up to the adult to show a way of rising above it and giving the children consequences or their actions in a more reasonable and responsible way, not resorting to a smack which is showing bad behaviour gets dealt with by using force.

You are dead right, it is up to the adult to rise above it, but how many times have you seen a kid in a melt down and the parent either just ignoring the situation hoping it'll stop soon, or as I've wrote just repeating stop it over and over, are either of those rising above it?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

[QUOTE="Lord Tyrion, post: 2058604,A good teacher will control a class, no matter what the pupils are like. .[/QUOTE]

I have reduced your post for brevity 's sake.
You talk of sweeping statements!
What is this, if not that.

It is also a completely silly statement.Classic modern namby Pamby thinking, don't blame the poor little *** thug/kid: oh, no, blame the teacher.
It's your fault teacher. -Utter crap thinking.

When kids could be disciplined, good ( most) teachers used to go to school thinking "how's the best way I can teach this subject today to the kids"

Today- how many good(most) teachers are going to school thinking
" Am I going to be able to keep control today"

You will deny this no doubt, but how many teachers are finishing early with stress?
Because , I suspect , when they go to their head saying the class( or Johnny and his mates) isn't behaving, how many are met with the reply or similar
" Aren't you good enough to control your class then? Perhaps we should look at your ability, Etc


The intelligent thug in today's class knows this and that there is no sanction to be made against him that he will find uncomfortable, so what's to stop him.

Too many good teachers have quit early, and most of us know why.

I have seen such attitudes in management to first line supervisors in other professions also.
Much easier for the big boss to blame the little boss, rather than tackle the person causing the disruption or problem .
This is one of the major reasons that we have the society we have got now

 

[TheDiablo]

Depends how tinted your rose spectacles are I guess.

Not really, 'results' are a direct consequence or outcome from action(s). Black and white - no 'guessing'

 

[robinthehood]

It teaches them that if they act up in the same way again they will get smacked again, it is a deterent and it does work.

Disgusting attitude

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So taking the Tesco scenario, taking out of the supermarket and back home.

You've stood in Tesco's for 15mins talking softly to little Annie asking her repeatedly to stop her tantrum, you got no where read above for the rest, anyway later at home it's tea time and you've asked Annie to put her toys away, she doesn't want and has a tantrum, so you again use the same tactic and talk softly to her asking to behave and put her toys away, 15mins later the toys are still on the floor, her tea is getting cold, your tea is getting cold and you are no further forward. So you tell her leave you toys, come and get your tea before it gets cold.

You finish you tea and you tell Annie go put your toys away, and she has a tantrum, she not going to do it, you have a stand off.

Do you :-

A - Stand there like a prize plum having a battle of wits against a child.
B - Agree a compromize and tell you will help tidy up if she puts things away, basically admitting deafeat.
C - Withold a valued item from her, her iPad, Mobile phone, stop her wathcing telly, probably only add fuel to the fire and then you have to carry out the threat.
D - Send her to the naughty step
E - Just give in as it easier, great she has you wrapped around her little finger and she knows she'll be able to get away with anything.
F - Tell her you're going to count to 3 and if she hasn't started putting stuff away she'll get a smack

We have had that situation and it’s option B - we helped her tidy up her toys the first couple of times when she refused and now she does it herself , so to worked without the need of any threat and it’s not “admitting defeat” it’s part of teaching her to tidy up after herself

I only write from my experience, but one smack was enough and then the threat of a potential smack was enough to bring me back into line.

Before you go off on the full scale abuse line, lets bring this back a little, we are talking about a smack, not a punch, or a kick.

But for many people once is not enough and that second smack is a bit harder and then harder and the cycle continues until the child goes to school with bruises on them. Remove smacking and you lower the chances of child abuse starting

 

[Wolf]

You are dead right, it is up to the adult to rise above it, but how many times have you seen a kid in a melt down and the parent either just ignoring the situation hoping it'll stop soon, or as I've wrote just repeating stop it over and over, are either of those rising above it?

And how do you know that kids hasn't been subsequently punished in some way at home afterwards instead of just smacking it in front of a load of strangers teaching them how to be humiliated in front of other people.

Smacking is not the answer to problem it doesn't teach the kid a valuable lesson at all, all it does is make them fearful.

 

[Khamelion]

Disgusting attitude

Not really the operative word was and is deterent. The kid gets smacked once and as I wrote the kid then knows in future if they act up in the same way, there is the potential of a smack.

To smack once and use the thought as a deterent is direction of this covnersation that I am going, to smack a child repeatedly is not on and that is not what I am writing about.

 

[USER1999]

I am coming round to waterboarding. It isn't smacking, and heck, if it is ok by the good ol US of A, it must be fine.

 

[Khamelion]

But for many people once is not enough and that second smack is a bit harder and then harder and the cycle continues until the child goes to school with bruises on them. Remove smacking and you lower the chances of child abuse starting

And for those people, then they should be punsihed, those who repeatedly hit their child, those who do leave bruises do need to know that physical abuse of that nature is not tolerated.

But again lets not take this down that road, the topic was smacking and my posts have been about my experience and a single smack and the deterent that it was.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Jersey and the isle of man 😂😂 and some windswept islands in the South Atlantic.
thats some empire

Did the Empire strike back?


Couldnt help that one.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Once again to prove a point people have taken it to extremes!

We have adults who are abusers that weren’t smacked as kids.

We have kids who were smacked who are normal functioning adults.

Apart from the who determines what is a smack and how is it enforced? I’d be interested to know if more kids are damaged by their parents drinking and smoking in front of them in the home than by being smacked.

Finally, parenting is not easy and every family is different.

 

[Backache]

Do you :-

A - Stand there like a prize plum having a battle of wits against a child.
B - Agree a compromize and tell you will help tidy up if she puts things away, basically admitting deafeat.
C - Withold a valued item from her, her iPad, Mobile phone, stop her wathcing telly, probably only add fuel to the fire and then you have to carry out the threat.
D - Send her to the naughty step
E - Just give in as it easier, great she has you wrapped around her little finger and she knows she'll be able to get away with anything.
F - Tell her you're going to count to 3 and if she hasn't started putting stuff away she'll get a smack

Have to say I went for C every time when our kids were young and it seemed to work, never had to smack.

 

[andycap]

When i was at school the cane, or slipper for girls had finished (but we didn't know that ) and the threat or fear of it was enough of a deterrent , same as the uniform of a policeman , nowadays kids know they cannot be touched by anyone , parents included and they use it big time ! behaviour of children ultimatley comes down to parenting . Yes i've smacked both of my daughters (not that i'm proud of it) I wouldn't do it now but i grew up with it and it did me no harm , and my initial parenting skills were based on what i had learnt from my upbringing , all kids quickly learn to push boundaries , even as adults we need to have fear , if the punishment is not there for transgressions then some will just run riot with it . Justification ? perhaps not ! maybe smacking occurs whaen parenting skills fail .
Perhaps it's a generation thing , but when i was a child if i got smacked i knew i deserved it .

 

[NWJocko]

Approx 2% of special needs children go to 'special schools' the rest are integrated into normal schools. They are a massive drain on the system as the education system requires them to have allocated teaching assistants and all sorts of other requirements. This costs a huge amount of money and it deprives normal kids due to a lack of funds. Should the majority suffer because of the minority? Harsh decision to make but somebody has to make it.

Wow.

I've tried to type a few replies to this but don't get very far without stopping with rage.

Point 1: Educate yourself on how funding for all children (including special needs children) in mainstream school works, additional funding is provided for those less fortunate. "A drain on the system" is one of the most disgraceful/hurtful things I think I've ever heard my daughter described as

Point 2: Educate yourself on the benefits (financial in terms of the state and otherwise) of early intervention. Paying an additional £5k a year per pupil at school age can save millions in terms of benefits etc in later years.

So much in that post is offensive its worrying, have a word with yourself.

On topic, was smacked as a kid, hated it. Would never raise a hand to one of my kids.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Wow.

I've tried to type a few replies to this but don't get very far without stopping with rage.

Point 1: Educate yourself on how funding for all children (including special needs children) in mainstream school works, additional funding is provided for those less fortunate. "A drain on the system" is one of the most disgraceful/hurtful things I think I've ever heard my daughter described as

Point 2: Educate yourself on the benefits (financial in terms of the state and otherwise) of early intervention. Paying an additional £5k a year per pupil at school age can save millions in terms of benefits etc in later years.

So much in that post is offensive its worrying, have a *** word with yourself.

On topic, was smacked as a kid, hated it. Would never raise a hand to one of my kids.

It's not offensive, it's a fact of life. There is X amount of money in the system to educate X amount of kids. Somebody (not me!) has to work out how to divvy it up. If one child takes up a larger chunk then it means less for another child, simple economics. I don't write the rules and I'm not saying what is right and what is wrong!

 

[NWJocko]

It's not offensive, it's a fact of life. There is X amount of money in the system to educate X amount of kids. Somebody (not me!) has to work out how to divvy it up. If one child takes up a larger chunk then it means less for another child, simple economics. I don't write the rules and I'm not saying what is right and what is wrong!

You've just proven you've no idea of the current system tbh, stop embarrassing yourself now Or educate yourself before commenting as I suggested

I took our Education Authority to court and know, £ for £ how much they spent "fighting" us which was about 8 times the amount of money we asked for in the first place over the 6 years of a primary school education.

I'm not disagreeing there isn't enough money in the system but until you really (and I mean really) understand how budgets are spent you are in no position to spout the uninformed and offensive rubbish you did earlier.