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Simon Dyson hearing

Fyldewhite said:
He knows he's not allowed to do it and he certainly didn't do it accidentaly. Totally different situation to Tiger's drop or Harrignton's moved ball. The ONLY plausible explanation for me here is that it was a deliberate attempt to cheat.
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I'm not a Tiger hater but I completely agree that it's totally different to the Woods drop. Woods admitted that he deliberately broke the rules by dropping behind where he should have done. Should have been DQ'd the minute the words left his mouth. If you're saying that Dyson knows he's not allowed to do it then the same goes for Woods. You can't have it both ways.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Woods admitted that he deliberately broke the rules by dropping behind where he should have done. Should have been DQ'd the minute the words left his mouth. If you're saying that Dyson knows he's not allowed to do it then the same goes for Woods. You can't have it both ways.
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no

woods deliberately dropped the ball where he did, and he felt that dropping it there gave him an advantage

1. he did not do so knowing the drop was against the rules
2. the committee had already reviewed the drop before he signed his card and ruled that he had not gained an advantage from where he dropped relative to where he should have dropped - their ruling overrides his assesment of advantage!

no-one want's it both ways
 
duncan mackie said:
no

woods deliberately dropped the ball where he did, and he felt that dropping it there gave him an advantage

1. he did not do so knowing the drop was against the rules
2. the committee had already reviewed the drop before he signed his card and ruled that he had not gained an advantage from where he dropped relative to where he should have dropped - their ruling overrides his assesment of advantage!

no-one want's it both ways
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1. So you are saying that Woods doesn't know the rules of golf regarding taking a drop? As an 18 handicapper I know the rules and if I'm unsure I'll check with one of my playing partners before I do it. He knew what he was doing and admitted it.
2. It doesn't matter what the committee ruled. Having admitted breaking the rules he should have been DQ'd. In my opinion the committee made their decision based on TV viewing figures and what the sponsors wanted rather than what would have happened if if had been John Nobody instead of Tiger Woods.
 
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Lets clear one thing up here between the two , Dyson`s offence was to improve the line of his putt , weather he knew what he was doing and did it or was it something he just did and said oops what have I done and hoped he got away with it or as I think the 1st he knew about it was when he was pulled up , there was no need for a ref , woods was a drop where rules are laid down to how its done and there is a ref with each playing group who he can get advise from if he so wish as to the correct method to drop , or you can say the ref with the group should have stop him making that drop because it was not within the rules , so there you have it ...........they are not the same , but woods and TV viewing figures saved him from a DQ and many thought he should have DQ himself , but did the masters committee tell him not too , we will never know that one ..................EYG
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Righto, that makes more sense! Could potentially argue by seeing a rule break, and not mentioning it, isn't that in itself "agreeing" to break the rules? It's semantics though, so lets not go down that route!
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Seeing a clear Rule break and not doing anything about it certainly would.

Catching a glimpse of something that might have been a Rule break is a whole different scenario. Depending on the situation, the observer might check with the FC during or after the round or maybe discuss with other players - at the time or later.
 
Ok I'm going to stick my neck out here :D.....Simon Dyson seems to have the traits associated with ADD.The guy is very hyped up and fidgety during playing and has as we know I think accidently made rule errors from time to time in the past which would tally in with the lack of concentration.I dont think for one minute the guys a cheat but if it is character to behave like this how can the tour deal with that?
 
shivas irons said:
Ok I'm going to stick my neck out here :D.....Simon Dyson seems to have the traits associated with ADD.The guy is very hyped up and fidgety during playing and has as we know I think accidently made rule errors from time to time in the past which would tally in with the lack of concentration.I dont think for one minute the guys a cheat but if it is character to behave like this how can the tour deal with that?
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This doesn't seem a unreasonable explanation to me. He's always seems rather like a rabbit in the headlights to me.
 
Wildrover said:
From what I hear on the grapevine it may not go well for him.
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Not heard anything concrete, but got a horrible feeling they might look to make an example of him. Only slight positive if he does get a 3 month ban or similar is that he'd be back in time for the season proper next year.

Would destroy his reputation though and he's likely gonna have this following him around for the rest of his playing days whatever the outcome. Shame, seems like a decent bloke.
 
If he gets a ban purely on that incident then it's a disgrace

If they have other evidence from other pros then I would be disgusted that they all come out now.

Think the whole thing is shocking
 
shivas irons said:
Judging by this article an the hoola surrounding the hearing a 3 month ban looks like a possible outcome, cant see them treating this any differently to the Saltman case although Dyson has had much more success http://www.express.co.uk/sport/golf/446834/Judgement-day-for-Simon-Dyson
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why? completely different circumstances, Saltman did it on at least 5 known occasions eluding to premeditated thinking. Dyson's action looks to have been a reflex reaction to suddenly spotting a spike mark right in front of his ball when marking. I do believe he realised straight after but maybe was too embarrassed to bring it to anyones attention, but as he never said straight away we will never know.

I hope he just gets a fine and a slap on the wrists for a mistake, a ban affecting his whole career is far to harsh and doesnt reflect the seriousness of the action...IMO
 
CMAC said:
why? completely different circumstances, Saltman did it on at least 5 known occasions eluding to premeditated thinking. Dyson's action looks to have been a reflex reaction to suddenly spotting a spike mark right in front of his ball when marking. I do believe he realised straight after but maybe was too embarrassed to bring it to anyones attention, but as he never said straight away we will never know.

I hope he just gets a fine and a slap on the wrists for a mistake, a ban affecting his whole career is far to harsh and doesnt reflect the seriousness of the action...IMO
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If they see it as you say ,as just a momentary lapse / mistake (it may well have been only SD knows) then surely the DQ is enough ,isnt it?

If they dont see it as this then they are saying he purposely cheated and a ban would have to follow surely
 
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