Simon Dyson hearing

[Deleted member 15344]

Seems that way. Perhaps a chance to settle some old scores. I fear for him if some players have made allegations as well. Could well be heading for a lengthy ban

I fear a ban as well - pretty shocking it's got this far when you consider the amount of people that have broken the rules during play and it's dealt with on the day ( some getting away with it as well cough Woods cough )

 

[NWJocko]

Perhaps we'll find out more 'facts' in the hearing, before which it's a little hard to make a call one way or the other on this

Even the fact it's got this far seems a little odd though don't you think?

There are a number of DQ's in recent years for (ultimately) signing a wrong score based on ball moving etc.

Why is it deemed necessary to have a hearing for this one?

 

[In_The_Rough]

Surely the allegations have to be backed up by concrete evidence

and why bring it up now? stinks of players jumping on the bandwagon imo

Cannot disagree really but if witnesses come forward saying he has done this and that then the majority are normally the ones that are believed, just like a court case really

 

[JCW]

QUOTE=NWJocko;948861]Quality

I remember Harrington was DQ'd a couple of years ago for a ball moving (?) but there was nothing like this afterwards. Or if there was a hearing then it wasn't made public.

If an armchair ref spots something with Tiger they just invite him for a drink and agree a new rule between them....... [/QUOTE]


like EYG

 

[guest100718]

I fear a ban as well - pretty shocking it's got this far when you consider the amount of people that have broken the rules during play and it's dealt with on the day ( some getting away with it as well cough Woods cough )

I hit the wrong ball, thats breaking the rules, but it isnt cheating. He is being accused of cheating.

 

[In_The_Rough]

I fear a ban as well - pretty shocking it's got this far when you consider the amount of people that have broken the rules during play and it's dealt with on the day ( some getting away with it as well cough Woods cough )

I agree, it has been dragged on and I think there are a few issues that have not become common knowledge yet. Not getting into a long debate about Woods but he is still the games biggest draw so the authorities seem reluctant to do anything to him really. Same in any sport though not just golf money talks unfortunately

 

[guest100718]

I agree, it has been dragged on and I think there are a few issues that have become common knowledge yet. Not getting into a long debate about Woods but he is still the games biggest draw so the authorities seem reluctant to do anything to him really. Same in any sport though not just golf money talks unfortunately

Well the BMW incident looks pretty cut and dried. He marked his ball, picked it up and tapped down a spike mark with it. That doesnt make him a cheat, it could easily have been a forgetfull moment. Is there more to this than meets the eye? It would seem so.

 

[JezzE]

Even the fact it's got this far seems a little odd though don't you think?

There are a number of DQ's in recent years for (ultimately) signing a wrong score based on ball moving etc.

Why is it deemed necessary to have a hearing for this one?

This one's a little different in that it's a clear infraction of a specific rule that you would hope a seasoned tour pro would not make, whatever the reason for him doing it (absent-mindedness or whatever).

The other rules to which you refer are more a case of a player not seeing something that has subsequently come to light via HDTV and slo-mo replays.

I've no idea what the outcome will be, what Dyson's 'history' is if anything, why they feel the need to enforce a hearing, but hopefully once it's been and gone we will all know a little more.

But, as I say, this incident is very different to the 'moving ball' ones...

 

[Imurg]

This one's a little different in that it's a clear infraction of a specific rule that you would hope a seasoned tour pro would not make, whatever the reason for him doing it (absent-mindedness or whatever).

The other rules to which you refer are more a case of a player not seeing something that has subsequently come to light via HDTV and slo-mo replays.

I've no idea what the outcome will be, what Dyson's 'history' is if anything, why they feel the need to enforce a hearing, but hopefully once it's been and gone we will all know a little more.

But, as I say, this incident is very different to the 'moving ball' ones...

Agreed, but there are also dq's for other "offences" such as incorrect drops,so you sign for a wrong score, where a Seasoned Pro should know the procedure - or not as the case may be but you get the picture...

 

[JezzE]

Agreed, but there are also dq's for other "offences" such as incorrect drops,so you sign for a wrong score, where a Seasoned Pro should know the procedure - or not as the case may be but you get the picture...

Accepted, but even then I think there is still a subtle difference between what he did and dropping in a wrong place...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Accepted, but even then I think there is still a subtle difference between what he did and dropping in a wrong place...

I'm not sure because I think dropping in the wrong place gains an even bigger advantage and is possible worse than tapping down a spike mark ( something I believe should be allowed )

 

[Imurg]

Accepted, but even then I think there is still a subtle difference between what he did and dropping in a wrong place...

Kind of...
But SD was almost certainly doing as was said above, too busy giving himself a telling off and thinking about having to birdie the next hole to actually realise what he was doing. I can't believe that he would have done it deliberately - ie cheating.
Every Pro should know the drop procedure almost without thinking shouldn't they..?

And at the end of the day, the "crime" is the same - a breach of the rules and the appropriate penalty applied.

The only reason I can see that SD is being hauled in front of the Tour Committee is that they think he did cheat - no other answer.

 

[JezzE]

Kind of...
But SD was almost certainly doing as was said above, too busy giving himself a telling off and thinking about having to birdie the next hole to actually realise what he was doing. I can't believe that he would have done it deliberately - ie cheating.
Every Pro should know the drop procedure almost without thinking shouldn't they..?

And at the end of the day, the "crime" is the same - a breach of the rules and the appropriate penalty applied.

The only reason I can see that SD is being hauled in front of the Tour Committee is that they think he did cheat - no other answer.

Maybe, although I think the dropping rules and scenarios do become a bit more complex on tour for various reasons...

 

[JezzE]

I'm not sure because I think dropping in the wrong place gains an even bigger advantage and is possible worse than tapping down a spike mark ( something I believe should be allowed )

I was thinking more about intent than advantage gained... I would say it was much easier, even for a tour pro, to drop a ball in a wrong place through ignorance than to tap down a spike mark (whatever you think of that rule, and Dyson's reasons for doing so)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I was thinking more about intent than advantage gained... I would say it was much easier, even for a tour pro, to drop a ball in a wrong place through ignorance than to tap down a spike mark (whatever you think of that rule, and Dyson's reasons for doing so)

Disagree - especially with the amount of rules officials they have on tour with them

If they are unsure they just ask - a lot do.

I think Dyson was more about not thinking as opposed to ignorance of the rules

 

[JezzE]

Disagree - especially with the amount of rules officials they have on tour with them

If they are unsure they just ask - a lot do.

I think Dyson was more about not thinking as opposed to ignorance of the rules

No as many rules officials as you might think at run-of-the-mill events...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No as many rules officials as you might think at run-of-the-mill events...

But they are available to be called upon when needed on the European tour

Even more so at The Masters when Woods took his illegal drop

 

[JezzE]

But they are available to be called upon when needed on the European tour

Even more so at The Masters when Woods took his illegal drop

With you on that one - if there's been one incident this year that hasn't reflected particularly well on the game, then that was it.

Will be interesting to see what, if anything, comes to light during Dyson's hearing next week...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

With you on that one - if there's been one incident this year that hasn't reflected particularly well on the game, then that was it.

Will be interesting to see what, if anything, comes to light during Dyson's hearing next week...

I really hope he isn't made an example off or we find out that there are other incidents as he is a very nice guy ( played a round with him last year )

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

One quick thing that is springing to mind...

If the other pro's have allegedly seen him allegedly breaking the rules, does that not make them just as allegedly guilty?

Isn't it a rule that in Strokeplay, you can't actively ignore an FC's rule breaches?