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Simon Dyson hearing

It's a daft rule but a fundamental one that any semi-serious amateur knows all about. I don't believe for a minute that a pro can do that and not realise. The video was damning, he did it very quickly in the act of picking his ball up as if to disguise it and looked very shifty afterwards. Proves nothing, of course, but definitely worthy of further investigation.....
 
I mentioned before that I read online the e-mail thread that was reportedly about a similar past incident for SD and that one seem to be dealt with to its conclusion with no action taken/required so I'm not sure if it could resurface to form part of allegations plural (in terms of incidents) or if allegations plural actually refers to a single incident allegation but from multiple sources

Either way I wouldn't like to see a ban for this breach given that the rules already make provision for doing this and the applicable penalty (& then the subsequent incorrect score DQ)

Its really no different to taking stroke and distance penalty for an unplayable

If its a 2 shot penalty for touching line of putt and my FC does it on 9 greens that's a 18 shots head start to me and the field... as long as each is marked on the scorecard then crack on mate :)
 
FairwayDodger said:
It's a daft rule but a fundamental one that any semi-serious amateur knows all about. I don't believe for a minute that a pro can do that and not realise. The video was damning, he did it very quickly in the act of picking his ball up as if to disguise it and looked very shifty afterwards. Proves nothing, of course, but definitely worthy of further investigation.....
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I think Dyson has an unfortunate demeanor in which he always looks shifty!
 
I think the difference between SD and Tiget is the Tour involved.

SD is a member (currently at least) of the European Tour and is under investigation for a serious breach of the code of conduct for players.

http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/season=2013/tournamentid=2013084/news/newsid=210824.html

So, the way I understand that, it means the tour are basically going to look at everything again from the BMW Tournament and see whether they think he has been sufficiently punished. It will probably come down to an assessment of whether he knew what he was doing and acted with intent or just made a silly mistake.

Tiger is a member of a different tour so probably under a different code that maybe doesn't include retrospective analysis of serious incidents.

I think it's a credit to the European Tour that they have this available to them but it's a shame it has dragged on for what feels like such a long time. (But in fact it's really only 5 weeks!)
 
Tiger is a tiger and the organisers of the masters used a loop hole to keep him to ensure the viewing figures were still high

Can say with confidence that the same would have happened regardless of which tour tiger is on
 
Something I have always done when I post on HDIDO forum , no other reason really ...............EYG
 
freddielong said:
Absolutely crazy I think the reason he has been hauled before the board is there are numerous incidents
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Incidents? Has he been disciplined before regarding rule breaking? If not, then how can previous incidents be brought up? If complaints had been made previously then they should have been investigated and a conclusion reached. If they have not been investigated then how can they be brought up now? Something stinks in this and I'm curious as to the specifics of the case. I suspect that there is more involved than we are aware of...
 
NWJocko said:
You ever play with him DfT?

Must have been brutally obvious to get a nickname like that and a 20 year ban!

Never understood the shuffling marker thing, for the 1/4 inches someone shuffles the marker the advantage must be minimal.
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Never played with him he was a couple of years younger than me.
Practiced alongside him on a couple of occasions and he was a very good striker of the ball.

He didn't pinch an inch he pinched yards.
His technique was to rush ahead to the green on his own, pick up his ball and throw his marker nearer the hole.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Thank you Jezz, smoke was starting to come out of my ears!!! I found some of the earlier comments quite scary.
I played as a Pro for 8 years and anyone who has played at a decent level, county team upwards, would NEVER make that kind of error without knowing that they are cheating.
The Pro's are a pretty tight bunch and generally know 'who is at it'.
I have met Simon and he is a decent guy but I suspect he will get a lengthy ban.
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I agree, and I'm also quite surprise by the general sentiment of this thread.

Having seen the video it was pretty clear what he did. He knows he's not allowed to do it and he certainly didn't do it accidentaly. Totally different situation to Tiger's drop or Harrignton's moved ball. The ONLY plausible explanation for me here is that it was a deliberate attempt to cheat. From the way it was done it looked like it was second nature rather than a brain burp to be brutally honest and miles away from dropping a yard away from where you are supposed to gaining no real advantage or not seeing a ball move that subsequently HD TV picks up. If there is no previous then I suspect it will be a strong knuckle rap. If there is then he will hopefully get a lengthy ban, nice guy or not. I doubt if the evidence considered will be made public so we'll just have to trust the powers that be to make the decision. Sure they have no hidden agenda and won't crucify him unless he's bang to rights.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Never played with him he was a couple of years younger than me.
Practiced alongside him on a couple of occasions and he was a very good striker of the ball.

He didn't pinch an inch he pinched yards.
His technique was to rush ahead to the green on his own, pick up his ball and throw his marker nearer the hole.
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Ah!!

Not exactly subtle! How did he get caught out?

Re dyson, only just seen the footage, mmmmm.
 
NWJocko said:
Ah!!

Not exactly subtle! How did he get caught out?

Re dyson, only just seen the footage, mmmmm.
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I heard a story from a member of Dunbar who played with him in a match at Goswick and played the 2nd which has a huge gully in front of the green,cheat had hit his onto the green and the other 3 down the gully and as this guy went up to get the line he caught the cheat lobbing his marker forward a good 6 feet!:rofl:

I am sure Officials set a trap and caught him doing the same from what I remember.
 
Dodger said:
I heard a story from a member of Dunbar who played with him in a match at Goswick and played the 2nd which has a huge gully in front of the green,cheat had hit his onto the green and the other 3 down the gully and as this guy went up to get the line he caught the cheat lobbing his marker forward a good 6 feet!:rofl:

I am sure Officials set a trap and caught him doing the same from what I remember.
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That'll do it, what a plum!

Wonder why, if he was as good as his reputation, he would risk it by doing something so bloody stupid!?
 
Fyldewhite said:
I agree, and I'm also quite surprise by the general sentiment of this thread.

Having seen the video it was pretty clear what he did. He knows he's not allowed to do it and he certainly didn't do it accidentaly. Totally different situation to Tiger's drop or Harrignton's moved ball. The ONLY plausible explanation for me here is that it was a deliberate attempt to cheat. From the way it was done it looked like it was second nature rather than a brain burp to be brutally honest and miles away from dropping a yard away from where you are supposed to gaining no real advantage or not seeing a ball move that subsequently HD TV picks up. If there is no previous then I suspect it will be a strong knuckle rap. If there is then he will hopefully get a lengthy ban, nice guy or not. I doubt if the evidence considered will be made public so we'll just have to trust the powers that be to make the decision. Sure they have no hidden agenda and won't crucify him unless he's bang to rights.
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I don't think it's clear at all

And the only plausible explanation isn't that he tried to cheat

Another just as plausible explanation and the more likely one is he wasn't thinking and a human mistake - something we are all prone to doing
 
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