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Simon Dyson hearing

Imurg said:
At the end of the day, regardless of our own, personal opinions, the European Tour decided he was not guilty of cheating - that much is said in the ruling and is backed up by the fact that his ban wouldn't be suspended if they thought he did cheat.
Everyone agree on that..?
Good....
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Absolutely not.

Point 3 states he deliberately touched the line of put for the purpose of improving his position knowing it is against the rules.

This is as good definition of cheating as you can get.

They then say it was not a premeditated act of cheating. This does not say he didn't cheat, it says he didn't plan to cheat.

He had a momentary aberration (i.e. he wouldn't normally cheat) but in this instance he made a snap decision to cheat without time to consider his actions.
 
Pro Zach said:
He had a momentary aberration (i.e. he wouldn't normally cheat) but in this instance he made a snap decision to cheat without time to consider his actions.
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This is just the point I made earlier in saying that it's the same as killing someone and the difference between cold bloodied intentional murder and manslaughter. In both cases someone dies but the perpetrator is given the lesser penalty if it was decided that he didn't set out to commit the offence!

I'd hate to be the accused if some of you lot were on the jury!
 
chrisd said:
This is just the point I made earlier in saying that it's the same as killing someone and the difference between cold bloodied intentional murder and manslaughter. In both cases someone dies but the perpetrator is given the lesser penalty if it was decided that he didn't set out to commit the offence!

I'd hate to be the accused if some of you lot were on the jury!
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Not sure if it matters if you set out to cheat or do it on the spur of the moment Chris. It is plain cheating either way, and the penalty should be the same. Anyone that has read the ruling of the committee knows they have found him guilty, unless they think that tapping down a spike mark in the full knowledge you are breaking a rule of golf, to improve your position on the green is acceptable. I am surprised that we haven't heard from Simon Dyson because it is a damning judgement.
 
richart said:
Not sure if it matters if you set out to cheat or do it on the spur of the moment Chris. It is plain cheating either way, and the penalty should be the same.
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Which is why, as Chris, I would hate to be judged by a jury. It very much matters if actions are planned or heat of the moment.
 
Imurg said:
At the end of the day, regardless of our own, personal opinions, the European Tour decided he was not guilty of cheating - that much is said in the ruling and is backed up by the fact that his ban wouldn't be suspended if they thought he did cheat.
Everyone agree on that..?
Good....

Anyone calling him a Cheat anywhere, on here, on TV, in the papers or wherever is opening themselves up to a lawsuit and had better have some proof to back up their potentially libelous or slanderous comments..The ET held an inquiry and decreed that SD is NOT a Cheat - should be the end of it unless SD gets the Lawyers onto the likes of Roe, Pugh and the Mail.
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He's a cheat.Bring it on.
 
The Tour charged Simon Dyson £7,500 towards the Tour’s costs of these proceedings, what was that for a few cups of coffee ;).If I was Dyson I wouldnt pay them anything and play my golf elsewhere in the world.Two fingers to their pomp and move on eh Simon :)
 
Pro Zach said:
Yes. Point 3 defines he cheated. Point 4a points out cheating is against the code of behaviour. 4b gives mitigation. Point 5 gives the penalty for breaking the code, by cheating with mitigation.
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3. The Panel held that charge to have been made out by the Tour. In particular, it found that:
(a) Mr Dyson’s action in touching the line of his putt was a deliberate one;
(b) that act was committed by him in the knowledge of the Rule forbidding such an act; and
(c) his purpose in so acting was to improve his position on the green by pressing down a spike mark.



So where does it say he cheated ?

Unless every rule break is now classed as cheating ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
3. The Panel held that charge to have been made out by the Tour. In particular, it found that:
(a) Mr Dyson’s action in touching the line of his putt was a deliberate one;
(b) that act was committed by him in the knowledge of the Rule forbidding such an act; and
(c) his purpose in so acting was to improve his position on the green by pressing down a spike mark.



So where does it say he cheated ?

Unless every rule break is now classed as cheating ?
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No, not every rule break is cheating. But every deliberate rule break with the purpose of improving position is. Because that is the definition of cheating.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
3. The Panel held that charge to have been made out by the Tour. In particular, it found that:
(a) Mr Dyson’s action in touching the line of his putt was a deliberate one;
(b) that act was committed by him in the knowledge of the Rule forbidding such an act; and
(c) his purpose in so acting was to improve his position on the green by pressing down a spike mark.



So where does it say he cheated ?

Unless every rule break is now classed as cheating ?
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Really?

That says he was aware of the rule and deliberately broke it in order to gain an advantage. In what possible sense is that not cheating?
 
Pro Zach said:
No, not every rule break is cheating. But every deliberate rule break with the purpose of improving position is. Because that is the definition of cheating.
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So McIlroy and Woods are both cheats then.
 
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