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Simon Dyson hearing
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Have you never done something without realising until someone points out what you have done.
The brain and mind is a complex thing and at times we have all done something that is hard to explain
That to me is what Dyson did - something without thinking properly because his mind was prob elsewhere and he didn't realise until someone pointed it out to him. Then he as horrified by it - and correctly penalised himself for his mistake.
The reason why i believe that is because I have trust in fellow golfers because I believe they all know it's a game of self policing and act with honesty and integrity
richart
Major Champion
But unfortunately there have been cheats in the game. Should we just ignore what they do ? Surely by banning the cheats we are keeping the integrity of the game in tact.
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
I think everything has been said already and the ET have said that they do not believe he deliberately cheated. IMHO that should be the end of it, unfortunately however, it won't be as some are seemingly determined to out him as a cheat.
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Yes there have been cheats - but you have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that they are indeed cheating
HawkeyeMS
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You mean deciding he looks a bit twitchy isn't enough?
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Well it could if you have OJ Simpsons jury
richart
Major Champion
But the defence in this case, assuming we all agree what he did is wrong, is that he didn't realise he did it. Not sure that defence would stand up in many courts. I have never seen a similar incident in my time of playing and watching golf. Tapping down spike marks with putters yes, but the ball ? Hope I am wrong, but I can only comment on what I saw.
bluewolf
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He was twitchy? Well that seals it for me. I've always thought his eyes were a bit squinty too. And all that blonde hair is a dead giveaway.. Hang 'im, he deserves it.
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Plenty of golfers have made mistakes and not realised it on the golf course ?
Are they cheats as well ? When Rory brushed the sand or when Woods made the drop or when Monty moved the sign or when he replaced the ball wrong after a storm delay ?
They all broke a rule but didn't realise it
hovis
Tour Winner
I played the back 9 on the brabazon with simon dyson and he pulled me up for teeing off infront of the markers! If only I get to see him again:lol:
JCW
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I don't think he cheated , I just think it was a spur of the moment thing , he done it and walked off , he did not look around to see if he had been spotted and no one else other then TV viewers saw it , Anyway to cheat is to gain an advantage to win , he still had to make that putt coming back and he did improve his line for that there is no doubt and its against the rules , he is guilty of that for sure as for intention to cheat , no one bar him knows for sure 100% that he intended to do that , but he has to now got live with that no matter what and that is plenty enough punishment in my book ................EYG
richart
Major Champion
True, but I think they were all through ignorance of the rule. Tiger admitted in his interview that he dropped further back. If he was trying to cheat I think he might have kept quiet.
Rory was hardly trying to clear the sand without anyone seeing him. Cheats tend to try and do it without being seen. Can't comment on Monty as I didn't see that one. To me cheating means deliberately breaking a rule you know, not breaking one you don't. Spike marks appear on every green so are a rule we all deal with on a regular basis.
bluewolf
Money List Winner
The Monty one is the interesting one. It would be hard to argue that he wasn't aware that he had improved his lie in the bunker. His stance was much improved when play restarted. Sandy Lyle and Darren Clarke made their views perfectly clear. I'm not sure whether Monty and Sandy are friends yet. Is Monty a cheat? I don't know for certain, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, in the same way I've given SD the benefit...
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
True, but I think they were all through ignorance of the rule. Tiger admitted in his interview that he dropped further back. If he was trying to cheat I think he might have kept quiet.
You think Dyson was trying not to be seen, right next to the hole while in contention during one of the R2D Final series events covered on live TV?
EDIT: Rory's wasn't ignorance of the rule, he knew the rule but said he wasn't thinking clearly and made a mistake
hovis
Tour Winner
You think Dyson was trying not to be seen, right next to the hole while in contention during one of the R2D Final series events covered on live TV?
EDIT: Rory's wasn't ignorance of the rule, he knew the rule but said he wasn't thinking clearly and made a mistake
Simon would have to be some kind of brain dead retard if he thought " I know, i'm gonna improve my line, no one will suspect a thing". I agree with you hawkeye
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True, but I think they were all through ignorance of the rule. Tiger admitted in his interview that he dropped further back. If he was trying to cheat I think he might have kept quiet.
Dyson did it in full view of the cameras during one of the biggest comps in the calendar year ! There was no hiding and he would have known the cameras were on him.
Rory knew about the the rule and the sand
Monty knew that the signs were immovable objects and relief was to be taken.
He didn't deliberately break a rule IMO just like Rory didn't - they both just weren't thinking properly at the time.
richart
Major Champion
Sorry how did he know the cameras were on him ? They don't cover every shot, let alone everyone marking their ball. He also tapped the spike mark down pretty quickly as he marked and picked up his ball. Blink and you would miss it. It was only picked up by a viewer after the event. Nobody at the time noticed it, so you could say he was unlucky to be caught.You think Dyson was trying not to be seen, right next to the hole while in contention during one of the R2D Final series events covered on live TV?
EDIT: Rory's wasn't ignorance of the rule, he knew the rule but said he wasn't thinking clearly and made a mistake
My point is though that I personally, in my opinion, don't think a professional golfer would do what he did with the ball. But giving him the benefit of the doubt that he did, I think, in my opinion, that he would have realised as soon as he had done it and held his hands up. His brain must have been totally disengaged,which is strange for a professional golfer playing in such a big tournament.
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Sorry how did he know the cameras were on him ? They don't cover every shot, let alone everyone marking their ball. He also tapped the spike mark down pretty quickly as he marked and picked up his ball. Blink and you would miss it. It was only picked up by a viewer after the event. Nobody at the time noticed it, so you could say he was unlucky to be caught.
My point is though that I personally, in my opinion, don't think a professional golfer would do what he did with the ball. But giving him the benefit of the doubt that he did, I think, in my opinion, that he would have realised as soon as he had done it and held his hands up. His brain must have been totally disengaged,which is strange for a professional golfer playing in such a big tournament.
They have a camera on every single hole for the big tournaments now.
And I think he was just focused on qualifying because he was close to missing out on the big event
