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Is it acceptable and within the rules for a player to sign their blank scorecard before the round has commenced and then pass it to the marker for completion during the round?
As you no longer need to sign a card why would you
Is it acceptable and within the rules for a player to sign their blank scorecard before the round has commenced and then pass it to the marker for completion during the round?
As you no longer need to sign a card why would you
Really can you please point me in the direction of that rule. Rule 3.3b(2), appears to indicate that the card must be signed.As you no longer need to sign a card why would you
Really can you please point me in the direction of that rule. Rule 3.3b(2), appears to indicate that the card must be signed.
Yes, you may sign the card before the round (indeed you can write whatever you like on it at any time) but doing so would not meet the player responsibilities set out in the rules.Is it acceptable and within the rules for a player to sign their blank scorecard before the round has commenced and then pass it to the marker for completion during the round?
Yes, you may sign the card before the round (indeed you can write whatever you like on it at any time) but doing so would not meet the player responsibilities set out in the rules.
Among other actions, it is the player's responsibility to "check..." and "certify the hole scores" "when the round has ended", so if the the competition committee if aware that the card was signed before the round and not after, they may decide that you have not done this and DQ you (or apply the appropriate penalty if MLR-L1 is in place).
Why would we sign the scorecard at all if it wasn't the accepted method of certification?I find that difficult to believe. I sign both cards before going out but always always check and certify the hole scores before handing the card to the player. Does it say in the rules that the act of signing the card is what " certifies " the round or is it the act of asking the player to agree the scores on each hole?
So, do the rules prohibit signing the card before play ?Why would we sign the scorecard at all if it wasn't the accepted method of certification?
No, but as indicated in my original comment (post #9), doing so is meaningless. You would still need to certify the scores after the round.So, do the rules prohibit signing the card before play ?
No, but as indicated in my original comment (post #9), doing so is meaningless. You would still need to certify the scores after the round.
Perhaps it's worth reminding ourselves of what Rule 3.3b actually says and does not say.
The marker must certify the hole scores on the scorecard....
Must make sure that the marker certifies the hole scores on the scorecard...
Must certify the hole scores on the scorecard....
Scores must be certified. A written signature is a method of certification not the method.
A scorecard is not necessarily a bit of card you can write on. The Rules clearly refers to electronic scorecards in Clarification 3.3b(2)/1:
The Committee may require players to use a scorecard other than a paper scorecard (such as an electronic form of scorecard)
Whatever form the scorecard takes, scores have to be certified but the Rules do not specify in any way how certification is done.
So, when the round has ended you have checked the scores; how exactly have you certified them?My understanding of the rules is, if they don't say you can't do something then you can.
I do certify the scores after the round , I check they match my scorecard and then give the card to the player. I believe I have correctly certified the players scores and have breached no rules
But the rules do specify when certification is done, which is the issue at hand here.Perhaps it's worth reminding ourselves of what Rule 3.3b actually says and does not say.
The marker must certify the hole scores on the scorecard....
Must make sure that the marker certifies the hole scores on the scorecard...
Must certify the hole scores on the scorecard....
Scores must be certified. A written signature is a method of certification not the method.
A scorecard is not necessarily a bit of card you can write on. The Rules clearly refers to electronic scorecards in Clarification 3.3b(2)/1:
The Committee may require players to use a scorecard other than a paper scorecard (such as an electronic form of scorecard)
Whatever form the scorecard takes, scores have to be certified but the Rules do not specify in any way how certification is done.
But the rules do specify when certification is done, which is the issue at hand here.
Just so we're clear, what exactly is your method of certification (since you have eschewed the usual action of signing the scorecard)? Also, are the committee aware of this novel method and find it acceptable?Sorry, I do certify within the rules as Colin has indicated
All the scores are checked and agreed before the player gets the card from me - the signing of the card is not " the method" as Colin confirms and I never forget to sign a winning card which has happened to many on here. Nothing I've done is against the rules or I wouldn't have done it!