Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
Citation please.
Should you be able to get relief from divots in the fairway?
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Citation please.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Could be a really big divot though...
Kellfire
Blackballed
If you have natural occurring divots at your course, I suggest there is something very unusual going on. Anyway, we disagree about something that divides opinion. Any reason why you’ve singled me out of everyone to be aggressive with?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
English Language Learners Definition of divot
: a loose piece of grass and dirt that is dug out of the ground when the ground is struck by something (such as a golf club)
Whereditgo
Journeyman Pro
Golf is not supposed to be easy! Course designers even put manufactured obstacles there to make it harder!
One of the fundamental principles of the game of golf is to "play the course as you find it".
One of the fundamental principles of the game of golf is to "play the course as you find it".
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
Thank you. Now point to the part that says it's unnatural.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
When I first joined my club we had a LR that you could move your ball out of a seeded divot with the head of your club.I've changed my mind on this & my earlier vote.
I would never have thought I would but, yes, preferred lies all year on the fairway just like New Zealand GC do.
It's played for pleasure & a difficult enough game anyway so why should anyone suffer because someone hasn't replaced their divot or a bird has removed it to get at food. Yes, I'd be quite happy for that to be the rule.
No picking or cleaning it.
This was stopped by the rule makers for some reason .
It made sense imo as there was no divot to put back.
This imo was an error , as it just ruined the work the GK had put in filling them.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Well they usually are if you take another big chunk out of a existing divot.Could be a really big divot though...
The poor sod behind who has the unlucky time landing in a double divot as there is nothing to put back if the soil explodes.
Must be bad if your best drive in a scramble though is in a divot hole.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Just a thought...
We've all been talking, not about the divot, but the hole left by the divot.
The divot is the beaver pelt that goes almost as far as your ball..
So...
The hole is made, ostensibly, by a burrowing animal - humans do dig holes ( ask Tashy)
So, if the hole was made by a burrowing animal, maybe we should get relief after all......
We've all been talking, not about the divot, but the hole left by the divot.
The divot is the beaver pelt that goes almost as far as your ball..
So...
The hole is made, ostensibly, by a burrowing animal - humans do dig holes ( ask Tashy)
So, if the hole was made by a burrowing animal, maybe we should get relief after all......
Robster59
Tour Rookie
I was at a rules presentation done by Scottish Golf and this old thorny question was asked and the basic answer is what was written right at the start of this protracted thread.
When is a divot not a divot? What defines a divot? A scrape? A hole? Everyone's interpretation is different and in that way lies madness/anarchy/arguments/cheating.
By keeping the rules as they are there are no grey areas.
Golf is a game where sometimes you get the breaks, other times you don't.
They are the rules, I understand why from above so just man up and get on with it. It's happened to me, it's happened to everyone. How you approach it and how it affects you is down to yourself.
When is a divot not a divot? What defines a divot? A scrape? A hole? Everyone's interpretation is different and in that way lies madness/anarchy/arguments/cheating.
By keeping the rules as they are there are no grey areas.
Golf is a game where sometimes you get the breaks, other times you don't.
They are the rules, I understand why from above so just man up and get on with it. It's happened to me, it's happened to everyone. How you approach it and how it affects you is down to yourself.
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
An expected consequence of striking a soft surface with an iron club is damage to the surface. As such, the courses are naturally full of divots.
You'll find no aggression with me, it's not even a matter of opinion as I disagree on facts, chill out.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
I have never seen a human digging a hole with a golf club.Just a thought...
We've all been talking, not about the divot, but the hole left by the divot.
The divot is the beaver pelt that goes almost as far as your ball..
So...
The hole is made, ostensibly, by a burrowing animal - humans do dig holes ( ask Tashy)
So, if the hole was made by a burrowing animal, maybe we should get relief after all......
But can’t fault the logic.
The question was framed incorrectly.
Crow
Crow Person
The game is definitely too hard and these damned divot holes only add to the difficulty.
I think all holes should slope downhill so that, once struck from the tee, the ball will roll all the way to the green which should be saucer shaped with the hole at the lowest point so that the ball will always go into the hole.
You can't get fairer than that, everyone gets a hole in one and there are no pesky difficulties.
I think all holes should slope downhill so that, once struck from the tee, the ball will roll all the way to the green which should be saucer shaped with the hole at the lowest point so that the ball will always go into the hole.
You can't get fairer than that, everyone gets a hole in one and there are no pesky difficulties.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
If that’s the case why have they changed other rules over the years?
Stymies would still be allowed.
Robster59
Tour Rookie
Different rules, different reasons. I explained at the start as to why they haven't changed this rule.If that’s the case why have they changed other rules over the years?
Stymies would still be allowed.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
It’s not like other rules have grey areas.
Cause debate etc .
The main reason is we can’t trust people not to cheat.
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Deleted member 1418
Guest
Easy solution to all this.
Ball in a divot? No problem, move it out and play on.
Ball in a bunker? No problem, move it out and play on.
Ball gone into water? No problem, drop another one away from that pesky water, and play on, no penalty.
Ball in the trees? No problem, throw it back out onto the fairway and play on.
A tree blocking your next shot? No problem, just move your ball to where you have no obstruction with your next shot.....and play on.
Duff a chip? No worries, have another go.
Struggling with putting? No problem, move your ball as close as you want to the hole and play on.
Now if you adopt the above approach and are still crap, then perhaps take up another game!! ?
I'm expecting a call from the R&A very shortly with an offer to be on their rules committee.......? ?
Ball in a divot? No problem, move it out and play on.
Ball in a bunker? No problem, move it out and play on.
Ball gone into water? No problem, drop another one away from that pesky water, and play on, no penalty.
Ball in the trees? No problem, throw it back out onto the fairway and play on.
A tree blocking your next shot? No problem, just move your ball to where you have no obstruction with your next shot.....and play on.
Duff a chip? No worries, have another go.
Struggling with putting? No problem, move your ball as close as you want to the hole and play on.
Now if you adopt the above approach and are still crap, then perhaps take up another game!! ?
I'm expecting a call from the R&A very shortly with an offer to be on their rules committee.......? ?
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
So you have played Pinner Hill?
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
I would prefer the option of placing my ball where I thought I was going to hit it, rather than where I actually did.
This would cover all eventualities, and I would potentially be scoring 18 strokes for 18 holes every time I go out.
D
Deleted member 1418
Guest
Go for it - you have my permission!
