should she be allowed back in the UK?

[IanM]

The question was ..."should she be let back in the country"

I don't think she should be.

No other forms of terroirsm were mentioned. You went off on your default rant about people only being "anti" becuase she is a muslim. That's not true. The law abiding muslim community in the UK are sick of these folk too.... or are they self-racist in your eyes?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Well said. I imagine should she be allowed in, and worse still be allowed to live and move freely, there will be opposition from all sides including muslims. To talk about extremism and use the religion card is irrelevant. The question was should she be allowed back. My answer is a definite NO. However if she can meet entry criteria and the government is prepared to let her in, and again I don't see why they should be forced to, then arrest her and let the authorities deal with her. Any custodial sentence needs to be served in full with no parole

 

[User62651]

She believed she was out there for the long term to live in the new Caliphate, made her choice. Now that Caliphate has been all but destroyed she finds herself in a pickle and looking for a way out.
Assuming she is in Syria and Assad regains full control of the country in due course, will she be allowed to stay there by the Syrians? Maybe they jail her. If they kick her out and UK wont have her back what does she do, where does she go? Refugee camp indefinitley? Maybe another 3rd country will take her in?
I dont sympathise with her really, except at 15 she was technically still a child when seh went, but she's 19 now and given the weak use of words in asking to come back, doesn't really want to come back imo, just a last resort. How the Govt deals with this type of situation I dont know. Perhaps she comes back and does jail time here for terrorism related charges, if found guilty? I dont know legally what rights she has if she hasn't committed any actual crimes herself, but if she shows no remorse or regret for her actions and radical beliefs then I dont want her as potentially dangerous and even influential to be here.
However if my kid did that at 15 I wouldn't give up on them, perhaps her parents and family can drum some sense into her?
Maybe she could be made to work for nothing at a rehabilitation centre for those injured fighting for UK, bit of payback to her mother country?

 

[Dibby]

As I mentioned, maybe the law needs changing.....

It's not a British law, it's a UN convention agreement.

The problem is for every edge case like this that the law appears to do the wrong thing, it also protects a lot of law abiding innocent people. If you start making special exceptions where does it stop? The whole point of the law is that everyone plays by the same rules, if we start making it so we can make exceptions whenever we feel like a bit of vigilante justice, we end up in chaos.

I'm not saying I personally think it's right that this girl is allowed to return home, but I do think it is right we apply the law and follow the correct procedures for everyone. We are all innocent until proven guilty. The other noteworthy point is that although people have bad things to say about lawyers who defend people like this girl, and even known criminals, they actually have a very important part to play. It is important that the prosecution puts up a solid case, if there weren't defence lawyers to test this, it would not necessarily happen.

 

[SocketRocket]

A law will never pass that allows someone to have their “citizenship/nationality” removed - it’s a birth right

There are laws there already for acts of terrorism etc - if she has broken any of them then that’s how she will be judged and sentenced if required. There are far worse people than her still British Citizens and certainly weren’t calls for that to be removed when they were found guilty. Maybe it’s because she is a Muslim

That post puts you in the same category as those you decry. I somehow think you make these accusations of racism more for your own sanctimonious image.

 

[Scoobiesnax]

Should definitely not be allowed back into UK. Good potential for her to not be rehabilitated satisfactorily and to spread her poison onto other impressionable minds.

 

[SocketRocket]

So if this girl has been seen to break the law she joins the others that have broken the law in Jail

You can also talk to English people about extremism- it’s not just exclusive to Islam.

Try talking to his family about extremism!

 

[Scoobiesnax]

Try talking to his family about extremism!
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Or the poor Jordanian Pilot (i think) who was burned alive in a cage!

 

[rudebhoy]

No, it beacuse she is a fithy terrorist, and refused to renounce it.

any evidence she is actually a terrorist? what terrorist activities has she carried out?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Try talking to his family about extremism!
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Is that family the only one to suffer at the hand of extremists - shall we find pictures of Muslims , Catholic’s , White People ,Black Prior , Mixed Race, Indian , Chinese , Scottish , Welsh , Irish , Pakistan ,etc etc etc

There are thousands of families who have been destroyed by extremists all over the world.

What exactly does your post add beyond trying to point score and antagonise ?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

It is illegal to be a member of isis here in the UK, and was made so back in 2014.
She has no passport, supports an illegal organisation and show no remorse or change of feelings. I can't believe some are actually argueing her case. Were those argueing her case also as supportive of those 2 who killed Lee Rigby, the 7/7 bombers or those who carried out the Waterloo and Westminsters attacks?
Don't give me human rights and citizenship when the person concerned will happily see anyone not supporting isis murdered.
A bullet or a bomb will kill you no matter how old the person pulling the trigger and I seriously hope those supporting her are just playing devils advocate, because to my mind if you're supportinig her and her cause you're supporting her beliefs and that means you support isis.

 

[Scoobiesnax]

any evidence she is actually a terrorist? what terrorist activities has she carried out?

She joined a terrorist organisation! whether she carried out any atrocities she was part of the support network! She is a terrorist.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It is illegal to be a member of isis here in the UK, and was made so back in 2014.
She has no passport, supports an illegal oprganisation and show no remorse or change of feelings. I can't believe some are actually argueing her case. Were those argueing her case also as supportive of those 2 who killed Lee Rigby, the 7/7 bombers or those who carried out the Waterloo and Westminsters attacks?
Don't give me human rights and citizenship when the person concerned will happily see anyone not supporting isis murdered.
A bullet or a bomb will kill you no matter how old the person pulling the trigger and I seriously hope those supporting her are just playing devils advocate, because to my mind if you're supportinig her and her cause you're supporting her beliefs and that means you support isis.

Of all the nonsense spouted on the forum that’s prob the king of crap right there ?!

You seriously want to twist what people are posting to even slightly suggest anyone is supporting ISIS - that just beats anything spouted ?!?

Not one person on this thread who has posted is “supporting her” or supporting her beliefs and choices

Did you actually read that post back before clicking post !

 

[SocketRocket]

Is that family the only one to suffer at the hand of extremists - shall we find pictures of Muslims , Catholic’s , White People ,Black Prior , Mixed Race, Indian , Chinese , Scottish , Welsh , Irish , Pakistan ,etc etc etc

There are thousands of families who have been destroyed by extremists all over the world.

What exactly does your post add beyond trying to point score and antagonise ?

Hopefully to show what a sanctimonious person you are, trying to throw the racist card at people in this country in defense of someone who was/is part of an organisation that would kill non Muslims without a trace of compassion.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Of all the nonsense spouted on the forum that’s prob the king of crap right there ?!

You seriously want to twist what people are posting to even slightly suggest anyone is supporting ISIS - that just beats anything spouted ?!?

Not one person on this thread who has posted is “supporting her” or supporting her beliefs and choices

Did you actually read that post back before clicking post !

If you're supporting her you're supporting what she believes in, and supporting her means looking for anyway to let her back here with things like "shes a British citizen, and has a right to be here". She has no passport, and British citizenship isn't a right its a PRIVELEGE.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you're supporting her you're supporting what she believes in, and supporting her means looking for anyway to let her back here with things like "shes a British citizen, and has a right to be here". She has no passport, and British citizenship isn't a right its a PRIVELEGE.

I’ll say it again as you appeared to struggle to get it the first time

No one has supported her or her beliefs

People saying she has a right to come back into the country because she is a British National is just stating facts about the situation - if she was born in the UK she is a British National - simple , passport or not she is a British National - just facts not support

Trying to suggest forum members are “supporting” a terrorist organisation that has killed many people is really poor.

 

[Hobbit]

If you're supporting her you're supporting what she believes in, and supporting her means looking for anyway to let her back here with things like "shes a British citizen, and has a right to be here". She has no passport, and British citizenship isn't a right its a PRIVELEGE.

Just maybe some people are supporting the law as it stands rather than that of a lynch mob.

The law as it stands, which I fully support, is that she can be declared stateless if proven to be a member of a terrorist organisation. For that to happen she needs to be charged, tried and convicted. And to be tried she needs to receive a summons to appear in the U.K. If she ignores the summons she can be tried in abstentia.

 

[GreiginFife]

If you're supporting her you're supporting what she believes in, and supporting her means looking for anyway to let her back here with things like "shes a British citizen, and has a right to be here". She has no passport, and British citizenship isn't a right its a PRIVELEGE.

You sure about that, squire?
Sounds like a "patriotic" chest beating statement to me.

Birthright citizenship is very much alive and well and a person born in the UK is given the right jus soli.

Whilst it may feel like, or appear to you to be, a privilege last time I checked it was indeed a right (or birth).

As I said before, it emotive but emotion should not distort facts, no matter how unpalatable the facts may be to you.

 

[Dando]

it's a shame she didn't have a close encounter with a reaper drone

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Technically she can come back.

Morally I think it would be wrong.