should she be allowed back in the UK?

[Kellfire]

Utterly ridiculous comment

So you’re ok with British nationals being racist and xenophobic in Britain? Interesting.

 

[Sweep]

A law will never pass that allows someone to have their “citizenship/nationality” removed - it’s a birth right

There are laws there already for acts of terrorism etc - if she has broken any of them then that’s how she will be judged and sentenced if required. There are far worse people than her still British Citizens and certainly weren’t calls for that to be removed when they were found guilty. Maybe it’s because she is a Muslim

These people that are far worse than her. Did they join and support an enemy of our country? Did they give themselves up whilst in a foreign country? A country we have no diplomatic arrangements with? If not your point is irrelevant.
As for your comment that maybe people don’t want her back because she is Muslim. Have you stopped to consider, even once, how her actions have impacted upon her family and all Muslims in the UK? No, I thought not. Her actions and the actions of people like her have set back Muslim relations in Britain by decades. If you were really concerned about the Muslim community and not just (wrongly) using the race card for the benefit of your flawed argument, you wouldn’t be protesting so loudly from your high horse. If I was a British Muslim I am pretty sure the last person I would want to see back here is this woman.

 

[Sweep]

So you’re ok with British nationals being racist and xenophobic in Britain? Interesting.

What on earth are you on about? I don’t like extremism of any nature.

 

[williamalex1]

It's a big NO from me.

 

[Sweep]

What she's associated with is abhorrent, no two ways about it. Isn't it sad and ironic that there's people willing to do something abhorrent to her. Seriously, just have a look in the mirror and ask yourself if you're better than her.

There is a big difference though.
Some people (not me) are saying what they would like to see happen to her. They are not actually doing anything other than expressing an opinion.
She, on the other hand, actually got up, left a good and comfortable home in a civilised country, got on a plane on a false passport, travelled to Syria via Turkey. Connected with Isis, married a terrorist. Got pregnant by him 3 times. Supported an organisation that wanted to see all of us who are non-Muslims dead. Including you and your family. She actually did it and she regrets none of it.
Are those posting on here better than her?
Well, I guess whist she has been supporting those who want us dead, they have probably been working, paying taxes (that she now wants to benefit from), taking loving care of their families and children and probably living blameless lives, contributing to society. They are in short, everything she is not.
Are they better than her? Hell, yes. In every single way. So much so I really hope you regret asking the question.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

These people that are far worse than her. Did they join and support an enemy of our country?
Did they give themselves up whilst in a foreign country? A country we have no diplomatic arrangements with? If not your point is irrelevant.
As for your comment that maybe people don’t want her back because she is Muslim. Have you stopped to consider, even once, how her actions have impacted upon her family and all Muslims in the UK? No, I thought not. Her actions and the actions of people like her have set back Muslim relations in Britain by decades. If you were really concerned about the Muslim community and not just (wrongly) using the race card for the benefit of your flawed argument, you wouldn’t be protesting so loudly from your high horse. If I was a British Muslim I am pretty sure the last person I would want to see back here is this woman.

Wow - it’s just like the Brexit thread all over again with people like you being very forceful against other people’s views and opinions

Yes there are far worse than her in prison and indeed out in the public

Peadophiles , serial rapists , child killers , mass murders , far right extremists, IRA etc etc the list is endless

Again have you seen or heard people asking for their British Nationality removed which was the point of the post ( but you aren’t able to see past your own nose )

 

[Fade and Die]

There is a big difference though.
Some people (not me) are saying what they would like to see happen to her. They are not actually doing anything other than expressing an opinion.
She, on the other hand, actually got up, left a good and comfortable home in a civilised country, got on a plane on a false passport, travelled to Syria via Turkey. Connected with Isis, married a terrorist. Got pregnant by him 3 times. Supported an organisation that wanted to see all of us who are non-Muslims dead. Including you and your family. She actually did it and she regrets none of it.
Are those posting on here better than her?
Well, I guess whist she has been supporting those who want us dead, they have probably been working, paying taxes (that she now wants to benefit from), taking loving care of their families and children and probably living blameless lives, contributing to society. They are in short, everything she is not.
Are they better than her? Hell, yes. In every single way. So much so I really hope you regret asking the question.

Your smashing it out the park today sweep lad. 👍👍👍

 

[Hobbit]

There is a big difference though.
Some people (not me) are saying what they would like to see happen to her. They are not actually doing anything other than expressing an opinion.
She, on the other hand, actually got up, left a good and comfortable home in a civilised country, got on a plane on a false passport, travelled to Syria via Turkey. Connected with Isis, married a terrorist. Got pregnant by him 3 times. Supported an organisation that wanted to see all of us who are non-Muslims dead. Including you and your family. She actually did it and she regrets none of it.
Are those posting on here better than her?
Well, I guess whist she has been supporting those who want us dead, they have probably been working, paying taxes (that she now wants to benefit from), taking loving care of their families and children and probably living blameless lives, contributing to society. They are in short, everything she is not.
Are they better than her? Hell, yes. In every single way. So much so I really hope you regret asking the question.

I don't regret asking the question at all. Anyone who wishes her dead, e.g. pushed out of a plane, is in my opinion, as bad as her.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What she's associated with is abhorrent, no two ways about it. Isn't it sad and ironic that there's people willing to do something abhorrent to her. Seriously, just have a look in the mirror and ask yourself if you're better than her.

Sorry Bri, I can’t agree, if like her friend she’d of died in a bombing from ours or the coalition should the pilots consider themselves abhorrent or are there circumstances when it’s ok?
They didn’t travel to join ISIS in the hope of changing them, they knew exactly what ISIS is and was and unfortunately, imo, those who live by the sword should die by the sword and thank god we’ve actually got people who are willing to sacrifice their lives in the pursuit of ridding the world of this evil scurge.

 

[Dando]

I don't regret asking the question at all. Anyone who wishes her dead, e.g. pushed out of a plane, is in my opinion, as bad as her.

Maybe If she hadn’t joined isis, praised them, try to raise their spawn then have the balls to want to come home people wouldn’t have those views

 

[Hobbit]

Sorry Bri, I can’t agree, if like her friend she’d of died in a bombing from ours or the coalition should the pilots consider themselves abhorrent or are there circumstances when it’s ok?
They didn’t travel to join ISIS in the hope of changing them, they knew exactly what ISIS is and was and unfortunately, imo, those who live by the sword should die by the sword and thank god we’ve actually got people who are willing to sacrifice their lives in the pursuit of ridding the world of this evil scurge.

You know that there's a huge difference with what happens on the battlefield and what is cold blooded murder. Just as you know that shooting someone in a firefight is different to shooting a prisoner. If she'd been killed in a drone strike/bombing raid, its a consequence of war. Pushing her out of a plane is murder.

 

[Dando]

You know that there's a huge difference with what happens on the battlefield and what is cold blooded murder. Just as you know that shooting someone in a firefight is different to shooting a prisoner. If she'd been killed in a drone strike/bombing raid, its a consequence of war. Pushing her out of a plane is murder.

What if you accidentally push her

 

[Hobbit]

What if you accidentally push her

Or you have your fingers crossed when you do it

 

[User20205]

I don't regret asking the question at all. Anyone who wishes her dead, e.g. pushed out of a plane, is in my opinion, as bad as her.

This is key to the argument. No one is defending her actions, just if she should be allowed back. Anyone who reckons ‘she should be pushed out of a plane’ is devaluing the argument completely. It’s knuckle dragging, rabble rousing nonsense.
I’m conflicted as to if she should be allowed back, but comments like the above have no place in the conversation

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You know that there's a huge difference with what happens on the battlefield and what is cold blooded murder. Just as you know that shooting someone in a firefight is different to shooting a prisoner. If she'd been killed in a drone strike/bombing raid, its a consequence of war. Pushing her out of a plane is murder.

Her friend was in a town when the town was shelled, that’s different to her being on a battlefield, she wasn’t or isn’t a soldier, they lost their rights or any sympathy imo when they voluntarily joined ISIS.
If it means I’m abhorrent for wanting her or her like wiped off the face of this earth by any means, then yes, I’m abhorrent and I have no problem living with that.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Seriously, just have a look in the mirror and ask yourself if you're better than her.

Seen this said when ever someone thinks that a murderer or Pedophile deserves a bullet.

And I’m sorry but it’s a stupid thing to say.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Personally I don't think she should be allowed back. From what I've read it looks very much to me like 'my baby will be looked after by the NHS; and I will be by the Welfare system'. I just find that outrageous.

But obviously a very complex matter, with a number of legal issues to get round as to her citizenship status.

Saw a couple of interviews with the Security Minister this morning and thought he came across very well.

Think he also said that if she wanted to come back she had to make her way to a country that had a British Embassy and consular services (these in Damascus are currently suspended) and they would determine her status and offer help if need be. And I believe he was against the UK Government offering any help to her to get to one of those countries!!

 

[Tashyboy]

In fairness, it was you who raised that very point.

Tashy, I tend to find most of your posting lighthearted and jovial in some lovable naive way, but what you have written above is representative of some dangerous thinking IMO and a prime example of why emotion has to be removed from things like laws.

There are many, me included, that don't think she should be allowed to return. But the world does not turn on shoulds. It turns on what is enshrined in law. Law's are not perfect and many (see my example before of a parent unfairly excluded from a child's life) can be "ass-like" but laws have to be specific enough to be enforceable but generic enough to cover multiple scenarios and edge cases. Can you imagine how complicated life would be with specific laws for every situation or case? As a forum of golfers that often decry the rules as being complex or too many or just plain daft, multiply that exponentially and you have the scenario of law for everything.

Law is what we must adhere to, whether we agree or not - otherwise we become no better than those we decry. There are hundreds of utterly deplorable people in this country already that have done unspeakable acts to innocent people and the law deals with them. We often don't agree with the what of the enactment, but we are seldom privvy to the how or why of the enactment.

What do you suggest, we allow emotive subject such as this case define the laws by which everyone else must live? Fair for all then?

You see posts like this are when this forum is at its best. Constructive opinions. Some of which I agree with and some I don't, and a lot of which gives one something to mull over. A guy on telly has just said " a case of this complexities". That nails it on the head for me. There should be nothing complex about a situation where someone/her is involved in the murder of innocents and people who are lawfully engaged in war. Law should be changed that if that is the path she has chosen, it is a one way path.

 

[Sweep]

You know that there's a huge difference with what happens on the battlefield and what is cold blooded murder. Just as you know that shooting someone in a firefight is different to shooting a prisoner. If she'd been killed in a drone strike/bombing raid, its a consequence of war. Pushing her out of a plane is murder.

How does beheading an aid worker fit into this narrative? Accident, manslaughter, act of war or cold blooded murder? Does filming it and posting it online make a difference? How about burning alive? Ripping apart? Having children commit murder?
How can you possibly compare people chatting on a golf forum to probably the most evil terrorists since WW2?

 

[Tashyboy]

I don't regret asking the question at all. Anyone who wishes her dead, e.g. pushed out of a plane, is in my opinion, as bad as her.

As much as I don't want to see here back in a divided country, I don't want to see any harm come to her. I hope one day she can see how much harm she and her comments have caused. I very much doubt that day will come.