should she be allowed back in the UK?

[User20205]

How does beheading an aid worker fit into this narrative? Accident, manslaughter, act of war or cold blooded murder? Does filming it and posting it online make a difference? How about burning alive? Ripping apart? Having children commit murder?
How can you possibly compare people chatting on a golf forum to probably the most evil terrorists since WW2?

She hasn’t been accused of any of the above. Using extreme & incorrect illustrations really does devalue the argument (more similarities with the brexit thread)
She has been, at worst complicit with the above, at best incredibly naive.
If she had publically renounced IS, would we be more accepting? This may not be sincere?
I’ve no issue with consigning her to a life in a Syrian refugee camp, but what about her unborn child? Innocent or guilty of its mother’s crime? & is the child a uk citizen?

 

[Sweep]

Wow - it’s just like the Brexit thread all over again with people like you being very forceful against other people’s views and opinions

Yes there are far worse than her in prison and indeed out in the public

Peadophiles , serial rapists , child killers , mass murders , far right extremists, IRA etc etc the list is endless

Again have you seen or heard people asking for their British Nationality removed which was the point of the post ( but you aren’t able to see past your own nose )

I really don’t think my posts are any more forceful than yours.
As I said (which you ignored) are there any people worse than her that have fought against our country and gave themselves up in a foreign country with which we have no diplomatic relations? The OP’s question was should we allow her back into the UK? If those you refer to were at home when arrested then they have no relevance to this case. It’s not about me seeing past my nose. I asked a question you didn’t answer.
You also failed to answer my point about the Muslim community in Britain and the damage this woman and others like it have done to their relations here.
And that’s because you know this is NOTHING to do with her being Muslim. It’s because people find what she did was abhorrent. This was as close to a battle between good and evil as we have seen since WW2 and she chose evil. She elected to support an armed force against this country. She set out to see us all killed. She regrets nothing. Now her side has lost she wants to return... until next time. It was HER who set out against us in a racist battle. SHE is the racist. She defines people by their religion, specifically Muslim or otherwise to the degree that she believes all non Muslims should die. If you are against racism in Britain (which is probably the least of her less toxic points) then you should be fully against her returning.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

My feeling is that as a very young girl she got brainwashed and corrupted and along with a couple of mates, went on an ideological journey to link up with ISIS

Once there they found it was no bed of roses, it was a warzone, they were married off to ISIS fighters, had children, one of the girls has been killed.

Now if at this point she says that she was wrong to join up, made a bad decision, deep regrets,just kids, been trying to escape for the past 3 years. disassociated herself from ISIS etc, then she has a chance of rehabilitation

But she isnt saying that, she is saying the opposite, so in my book she has burned her boats,

 

[Dando]

Wow - it’s just like the Brexit thread all over again with people like you being very forceful against other people’s views and opinions

Yes there are far worse than her in prison and indeed out in the public

Peadophiles , serial rapists , child killers , mass murders , far right extremists, IRA etc etc the list is endless

Again have you seen or heard people asking for their British Nationality removed which was the point of the post ( but you aren’t able to see past your own nose )

At least we’re not as forcefully against other people’s views and opinions as this 2 bob bit of scum and her mates are!

 

[GreiginFife]

You see posts like this are when this forum is at its best. Constructive opinions. Some of which I agree with and some I don't, and a lot of which gives one something to mull over. A guy on telly has just said " a case of this complexities". That nails it on the head for me. There should be nothing complex about a situation where someone/her is involved in the murder of innocents and people who are lawfully engaged in war. Law should be changed that if that is the path she has chosen, it is a one way path.

And this is when foum communities work. We can respectfully agree to disagree and move on. No ill will or wishes of ill to others, no name calling.

As I say, the law is a complex thing and simply changing legislation in itself is a complex process. Intertwined laws and statutes can become exposed to loopholes that certain legal experts take full advantage of.
I agree that certain aspects of certain laws need to be looked at but again I am steadfast in my belief that this should not be done as a recourse of emotion.

 

[User20205]

I really don’t think my posts are any more forceful than yours.
As I said (which you ignored) are there any people worse than her that have fought against our country and gave themselves up in a foreign country with which we have no diplomatic relations? The OP’s question was should we allow her back into the UK? If those you refer to were at home when arrested then they have no relevance to this case. It’s not about me seeing past my nose. I asked a question you didn’t answer.
You also failed to answer my point about the Muslim community in Britain and the damage this woman and others like it have done to their relations here.
And that’s because you know this is NOTHING to do with her being Muslim. It’s because people find what she did was abhorrent. This was as close to a battle between good and evil as we have seen since WW2 and she chose evil. She elected to support an armed force against this country. She set out to see us all killed. She regrets nothing. Now her side has lost she wants to return... until next time. It was HER who set out against us in a racist battle. SHE is the racist. She defines people by their religion, specifically Muslim or otherwise to the degree that she believes all non Muslims should die. If you are against racism in Britain (which is probably the least of her less toxic points) then you should be fully against her returning.

you need to clarify your points IMO. It’s impossible to be racist against either Britain or Christianity, neither are races.

 

[Dando]

As much as I don't want to see here back in a divided country, I don't want to see any harm come to her. I hope one day she can see how much harm she and her comments have caused. I very much doubt that day will come.

Just a shame she was and is still willing to see harm done to others

 

[User20205]

My feeling is that as a very young girl she got brainwashed and corrupted and along with a couple of mates, went on an ideological journey to link up with ISIS

Once there they found it was no bed of roses, it was a warzone, they were married off to ISIS fighters, had children, one of the girls has been killed.

Now if at this point she says that she was wrong to join up, made a bad decision, deep regrets,just kids, been trying to escape for the past 3 years. disassociated herself from ISIS etc, then she has a chance of rehabilitation

But she isnt saying that, she is saying the opposite, so in my book she has burned her boats,

I’d rather she was (is) honest. There’s a greater danger in fake contrition IMO

 

[Dando]

you need to clarify your points IMO. It’s impossible to be racist against either Britain or Christianity, neither are races.

Shame people don’t realise that’s the same with islam

 

[Sweep]

She hasn’t been accused of any of the above. Using extreme & incorrect illustrations really does devalue the argument (more similarities with the brexit thread)
She has been, at worst complicit with the above, at best incredibly naive.
If she had publically renounced IS, would we be more accepting? This may not be sincere?
I’ve no issue with consigning her to a life in a Syrian refugee camp, but what about her unborn child? Innocent or guilty of its mother’s crime? & is the child a uk citizen?

I didn’t say she had been accused of any of those things. She joined the organisation that committed those heinous crimes and she supported them. She was one of them and they made this an us versus them war.
I am sorry but whilst I respect the opinions of all on here, to compare posters on a golf forum to members of a terrorist organisation is beyond ridiculous. People have a right to be angry at this woman and her ilk. What they did and would continue to do if allowed was beyond words. Forumers on the other hand occasionally play golf and debate. Let’s get real.
As for the child, get it away from this evil bitch the minute it is born and hope he or she goes on to live a happy and fulfilling life not full of hatred.

 

[User20205]

Shame people don’t realise that’s the same with islam

Yep correct. None of the above are races. Just another example of incorrect emotive language being used on both sides

 

[Deleted member 16999]

She hasn’t been accused of any of the above. Using extreme & incorrect illustrations really does devalue the argument (more similarities with the brexit thread)
She has been, at worst complicit with the above, at best incredibly naive.
If she had publically renounced IS, would we be more accepting? This may not be sincere?
I’ve no issue with consigning her to a life in a Syrian refugee camp, but what about her unborn child? Innocent or guilty of its mother’s crime? & is the child a uk citizen?

The child is as much Dutch as British.

 

[Sweep]

you need to clarify your points IMO. It’s impossible to be racist against either Britain or Christianity, neither are races.

Can you be racist against Muslims then? If you hate people from a certain country is that not being racist? If so, surely you can be racist against someone from Britain?
Other than semantics, I think you understand the point I was making. LP said we didn’t want her back because she was Muslim. I argued he was wrong and that it was her who was defining Muslims from others, not us.

 

[USER1999]

The child is as much Dutch as British.

Good, then she can go to Holland. Problem sorted.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I really don’t think my posts are any more forceful than yours.
As I said (which you ignored) are there any people worse than her that have fought against our country and gave themselves up in a foreign country with which we have no diplomatic relations? The OP’s question was should we allow her back into the UK? If those you refer to were at home when arrested then they have no relevance to this case. It’s not about me seeing past my nose. I asked a question you didn’t answer.
You also failed to answer my point about the Muslim community in Britain and the damage this woman and others like it have done to their relations here.
And that’s because you know this is NOTHING to do with her being Muslim. It’s because people find what she did was abhorrent. This was as close to a battle between good and evil as we have seen since WW2 and she chose evil. She elected to support an armed force against this country. She set out to see us all killed. She regrets nothing. Now her side has lost she wants to return... until next time. It was HER who set out against us in a racist battle. SHE is the racist. She defines people by their religion, specifically Muslim or otherwise to the degree that she believes all non Muslims should die. If you are against racism in Britain (which is probably the least of her less toxic points) then you should be fully against her returning.

I have a feeling you haven’t read through the thread

To be clear

No one has supported what she did

No one has said they are with her

No one had said that they want her to be allowed back into the UK

What some people have posted is a bit of middle of the road statements of facts and want to see the laws of our land deal with the situation as opposed to mob rule

Far too many people posting as if they believe others are supporting her with a poster even suggesting people are supporting ISIS ?!

Lots of people have committed awful things and they are dealt with by the law - this young lady should be dealt in the same way

And just be clear I didn’t say that people didn’t want her back because she was a Muslim I asked a question- again maybe you need to actually read the posts

 

[User20205]

Can you be racist against Muslims then? If you hate people from a certain country is that not being racist? If so, surely you can be racist against someone from Britain?
Other than semantics, I think you understand the point I was making. LP said we didn’t want her back because she was Muslim. I argued he was wrong and that it was her who was defining Muslims from others, not us.

I’m not sure that you can exhibit racism against a multi cultural entity, but semantics aside I get your point. Any objection isn’t about her being Muslim, it’s about her association with a Muslim death cult

 

[Sweep]

Yep correct. None of the above are races. Just another example of incorrect emotive language being used on both sides

As I understand it, religion is s protected characterist

I have a feeling you haven’t read through the thread

To be clear

No one has supported what she did

No one has said they are with her

No one had said that they want her to be allowed back into the UK

What some people have posted is a bit of middle of the road statements of facts and want to see the laws of our land deal with the situation as opposed to mob rule

Far too many people posting as if they believe others are supporting her with a poster even suggesting people are supporting ISIS ?!

Lots of people have committed awful things and they are dealt with by the law - this young lady should be dealt in the same way

i have read every post thanks. The only thing missing from the thread is your answers to my questions.

 

[Dando]

Good, then she can go to Holland. Problem sorted.

You spelt “hell” wrong

 

[Sweep]

I’m not sure that you can exhibit racism against a multi cultural entity, but semantics aside I get your point. Any objection isn’t about her being Muslim, it’s about her association with a Muslim death cult

Agreed. And if it wasn’t a Muslim death cult but another death cult the feelings would have been the same. It has nothing to do with her being Muslim.

 

[Dando]

There's a dogooder on the one show saying she should be excused as the uk let her down and she was therefore victimised