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On a post that got locked it was stated:

From Nov 20
Single strokeplay will be 95%
Single matchplay - 100%
4ball stroke - 85%
4ball match 95%

Does anyone have any official links to this change so I can read up on it?

Thanks.
 
On a post that got locked it was stated:

From Nov 20
Single strokeplay will be 95%
Single matchplay - 100%
4ball stroke - 85%
4ball match 95%

Does anyone have any official links to this change so I can read up on it?

Thanks.
I think rulefan quoted these numbers, and as far as I am aware he has close links to the powers that be when it comes to handicapping. So, the numbers quoted are most likely reliable. I guess it is something that has yet to be published officially?
 
I think rulefan quoted these numbers, and as far as I am aware he has close links to the powers that be when it comes to handicapping. So, the numbers quoted are most likely reliable. I guess it is something that has yet to be published officially?

If he meant this month I am just surprised it's going to be "sprung" on us....in 15 days time! Unless of course he meant 2020 @rulefan
 
Yes. November 2020 and these are the recommended WHS handicap allowances for some formats taken from the WHS Draft Rules. The CONGU specific rulebook has not been published yet.
 
This is the part I don't understand. How can this apply to singles strokeplay? In that case you would never be playing your full handicap rendering it pointless??
Yeah, I guess anyone over 10 will get at least a shot taken off. Does that suggest, that currently higher handicappers tend to have a better chance to win competitions as it stands, or would it be the case with WHS handicaps when they come into play, unless this adjustment is made? Also, is the adjustment to the Handicap Index or the playing handicap on the course?
 
This is the part I don't understand. How can this apply to singles strokeplay? In that case you would never be playing your full handicap rendering it pointless??
These %ages are not used in the handicap calculations, only for competition purposes.
Pre WHS, other handicap authorities around the world built in a factor of 0.96 or 0.93 which did affect the final index.
 
I tried to ask a question about this in the thread that got locked, but I think it got lost due to the high level of mudslinging instigated by "67 under par", so I'll ask it again here...

From a post (I think from rulefan) in that thread, the implication was that the 95% allowance in strokeplay is to give some sort of "reward for excellence" - in other words, to make the playing field very slightly tilted in favour of better players. And to be honest I can see why this does indeed make sense to a certain extent. (I should hasten to add that I do not say this because I will personally benefit - I'm a 15 handicap, so it clearly puts me at a disadvantage against single figure players).

What I can't understand is why such a "reward for excellence" should not also be granted in matchplay. If any of those in the know can explain, I'm eager to learn.
 
This is the part I don't understand. How can this apply to singles strokeplay? In that case you would never be playing your full handicap rendering it pointless??
re the 95% singles

I would assume that this is for medal match play ie best nett score wins the match.

If it is for general singles play it does have a point because you will no longer have a handicap but a handicap index and a playing handicap and you will get a playing handicap greater than your handicap index. ( from what I have seen on most slope ratings I have checked).
 
I tried to ask a question about this in the thread that got locked, but I think it got lost due to the high level of mudslinging instigated by "67 under par", so I'll ask it again here...

From a post (I think from rulefan) in that thread, the implication was that the 95% allowance in strokeplay is to give some sort of "reward for excellence" - in other words, to make the playing field very slightly tilted in favour of better players. And to be honest I can see why this does indeed make sense to a certain extent. (I should hasten to add that I do not say this because I will personally benefit - I'm a 15 handicap, so it clearly puts me at a disadvantage against single figure players).

What I can't understand is why such a "reward for excellence" should not also be granted in matchplay. If any of those in the know can explain, I'm eager to learn.
From what I read in past, lower handicappers already get an advantage in match play. For example, lets say a player A gets 18 shots on Player B, to make it easy. If Player B ever gets a gross score 2 or more better than A, then A will lose that hole, and he can't use that extra shot he had on another hole. Likewise, if Player A gets a lower gross score than Player B, then he doesn't use his shot anyway, and he can't use it elsewhere. So, in effect, in match play, realistically Player A may have a load of wasted shots he can't use. Whereas, in strokeplay or Stableford (assuming no horrific blobs), he'll get to use all his shots.

That is my understanding anyway.
 
From what I read in past, lower handicappers already get an advantage in match play.
That is my understanding anyway.
You are correct. CONGU stats (supported by USGA studies) show that the lower handicapper win 55% of the time in full handicap match play.
 
You are correct. CONGU stats (supported by USGA studies) show that the lower handicapper win 55% of the time in full handicap match play.
Do both systems use the "bonus for excellence"? If not, it's comparing apples and oranges - both are round, but not the same.
From what I've seen, Golf Australia also has some excellent data on this.
 
On a post that got locked it was stated:

From Nov 20
Single strokeplay will be 95%
Single matchplay - 100%
4ball stroke - 85%
4ball match 95%

Does anyone have any official links to this change so I can read up on it?

Thanks.
These %ages are not used in the handicap calculations, only for competition purposes.
Pre WHS, other handicap authorities around the world built in a factor of 0.96 or 0.93 which did affect the final index.
Sorry if I'm being slow or thick on this, but does this mean that in singles strokeplay, your nett score will be gross score minus 95% of handicap? Eg a 20hc scores gross 90 which becomes nett 71 (rather than 70 as now). Which means nett scores for other HC's will have fractions?

If not this, then how will it work in practice?
 
Sorry if I'm being slow or thick on this, but does this mean that in singles strokeplay, your nett score will be gross score minus 95% of handicap? Eg a 20hc scores gross 90 which becomes nett 71 (rather than 70 as now). Which means nett scores for other HC's will have fractions?

If not this, then how will it work in practice?
You will play off 95% of your handicap. Net scores will decide the winner. Your differential (used for handicap adjustment) will be calculated from your 100% gross score.
 
You will play off 95% of your handicap. Net scores will decide the winner. Your differential (used for handicap adjustment) will be calculated from your 100% gross score.
In terms of the unanswered bit, I suspect your nett score WON'T be a fraction. e.g. a 25 handicapper scoring would play off 24, not 23.75. Otherwise, that would be very odd, especially in Stableford. PS, this was a further reply to backwoodsman, not rulefan)
 
Your Playing Handicap (i.e. the number of strokes you actually get for the purposes of the competition) will be a whole number. Any fraction you get after applying the percentage to the Course Handicap is rounded up or down (0.5 goes up).

eg. Take a player with a Handicap Index of 16.5, playing in a singles stroke play event on a course with a Course Rating of 69.5 and a Slope Rating of 125

His Course Handicap (the number of strokes he gets for that particular course) will be 18
Course Handicap = Handicap Index x Slope Rating ÷ 113
= 16.5 x 125 ÷ 113
= 18.3 rounded down to 18

The Handicap Allowance is then applied to the Course Handicap. For singles stroke play that gives him a Playing Handicap of 17
Playing Handicap = Course Handicap x Handicap Allowance
= 18 x .95
= 17.1 rounded down to 17
 
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