Sharapova

[hovis]

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[Val]

OK, Phil, you played hockey to a decent level. lets pose a hypothetical question.

You had a chance to make it to the GB team, your family had a history of a medical problem, for which there was a medicine widely used in eastern europe, but not here in the UK. It was put to you that this med, also acted as a PED and you would get an edge over your competitors, you can train harder, grow stronger. This is not a protein shake or a vitamin suppliment, this is a manufactured drug. The common process for this drug is to be on it for a short time, but I know a doctor who will sign it off for as long as you like. It is not a banned drug, so you can use as much as you like, but as i said, its not 'natural', its manufactured.

Do you want it?

Not banned and has no signs of being banned and has the ability to give me an edge over my competition?

Absolutely give me it and anyone who says differently must be whiter than white.

You know that whiter than white lot............

Never speeded in a car
Never take a call on a mobile in a car
Never set a sat nav whilst moving

These 3 examples would have been done at some point by most on here, all 3 might even be done on a daily basis.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Not banned and has no signs of being banned and has the ability to give me an edge over my competition?

Absolutely give me it and anyone who says differently must be whiter than white.

You know that whiter than white lot............

Never speeded in a car
Never take a call on a mobile in a car
Never set a sat nav whilst moving

These 3 examples would have been done at some point by most on here, all 3 might even be done on a daily basis.

Not me guv!

.... I don't have a sat nav.

 

[Fish]

Me personally - actually thinking about it , why wouldn't anyone take it ? So if it's not banned and not going to be banned then yes would take it and i would expect everyone would take itn

Someone else doing it - their choice as long as it not breaking any rules of the governing body.

So why did you initially say no and some minutes later edit your response?

Your arguing for the sakes of arguing, as you do many times in many threads, IMO.

 

[Rooter]

Not banned and has no signs of being banned and has the ability to give me an edge over my competition?

Absolutely give me it and anyone who says differently must be whiter than white.

You know that whiter than white lot............

Never speeded in a car
Never take a call on a mobile in a car
Never set a sat nav whilst moving

These 3 examples would have been done at some point by most on here, all 3 might even be done on a daily basis.

Hardly the same dude..

 

[Fish]

Not banned and has no signs of being banned and has the ability to give me an edge over my competition?

Absolutely give me it and anyone who says differently must be whiter than white.

You know that whiter than white lot............

Never speeded in a car
Never take a call on a mobile in a car
Never set a sat nav whilst moving

These 3 examples would have been done at some point by most on here, all 3 might even be done on a daily basis.

I've done all 3 at once, but I would be a bit concerned taking a prescription drug that's designed only to be taken for a matter of weeks for a specific illness for 10 years!!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So why did you initially say no and some minutes later edit your response?

Your arguing for the sakes of arguing, as you do many times in many threads, IMO.

Because I changed my mind after having a think - is that allowed ?

 

[Fish]

Because I changed my mind after having a think - is that allowed ?

I think your initial gut reaction to immediately say No speaks volumes personally.

 

[Piece]

Having read the dictionary definition then I would say that if the facts are as they appear to be, she is a cheat and has been for some time.

I find it surprising that 48 hrs ago, no-one gave a flying about Sharapova, certainly no-one heard or knew about Meldonium, let alone what it is supposed to do, and yet, now this thread has become a place for expert opinion on the subject based on some articles and journalist opinion, not forgetting that we seem to know all about Sharapova's medical history, also within this short timeframe.

For the absence of any doubt, I'm not defending her or accusing her.

 

[richart]

Up to 490 athletes tested positive for this drug at the European Champs in Baku, though obviously it was not banned at the time.

I am interested how taking this drug 10 years ago for 4-6 weeks would cure erratic electrocardiogram results, magnesium deficiency and a family history of diabetes. (these are reasons Sharapova gave for taking the drug for 10 years) Surely for those ongoing problems you would need to take the drug on a regular basis ? No doubt a medical expert can put me right.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

It's all about trying to enhance someone's performance isn't it - trying to find an edge.

Before Jan 1st the drug wasn't a banned PED by the governing body - so it was freely available to be used by anyone - the same with supplements and protein shakes or indeed anything an athlete puts into their body to try and find an edge.

If the use of the drug was cheating before the Jan 1st then so is the use of anything to attempt to improve performance

Cheat - act dishonestly and unfairly to gain an advantage.

Until 1st Jan she didn't do that

The key words here are "Freely Available" Supplements and protein shakes are freely available, but this stuff is prescription only, so it isn't "Freely Available"
as it isnt available in the states, her people have gone to huge efforts to ensure that she gets a regular supply for far longer than the normal length of treatment.
Therefore this drug has been dishonestly obtained, whether or not it was on the banned list or not.

Laws have been broken, medical ethics trashed and also nobody knows what the long term effects of this drug are, Russian Roulette springs to mind

I accept that as it wasnt on the banned list until 1 Jan then "technically" she wasnt cheating, But my moral compass is pointing due south on this one

 

[Val]

Hardly the same dude..

I know, the driving stuff is illegal and definitely shouldn't be condoned.

I've done all 3 at once, but I would be a bit concerned taking a prescription drug that's designed only to be taken for a matter of weeks for a specific illness for 10 years!!

I love your morals bud, you do the illegal and wouldn't entertain something that wasn't illegal.

Rooter, think on your question.

You're an up coming talent at 18 and just won your first major title, a doctor tells you they can give you a drug that will allow oxygen to your muscles quicker and help increase stamina, you don't need to take it all the time and it isn't banned for use and chances are it won't for a long time. It will increase your chances of winning multiple major titles and millions of pounds/dollars/euros. Do you want it?

No one in their right mind would refuse it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The key words here are "Freely Available" Supplements and protein shakes are freely available, but this stuff is prescription only, so it isn't "Freely Available"
as it isnt available in the states, her people have gone to huge efforts to ensure that she gets a regular supply for far longer than the normal length of treatment.
Therefore this drug has been dishonestly obtained, whether or not it was on the banned list or not.

Laws have been broken, medical ethics trashed and also nobody knows what the long term effects of this drug are, Russian Roulette springs to mind

I accept that as it wasnt on the banned list until 1 Jan then "technically" she wasnt cheating, But my moral compass is pointing due south on this one

Laws broken ? Medical ethics trashed ?

Drug dishonestly obtained

So you know all about her medical history?

How come everyone seems to know Sharapovas exact medical history to determine the drugs were gained dishonestly ?

Have her medical records been published so everyone can see ?

 

[Norrin Radd]

its not on the PGA banned substance list ,,,,,yet ,,although they are looking at it being so when they do their yearly list.

 

[Rooter]

Rooter, think on your question.

You're an up coming talent at 18 and just won your first major title, a doctor tells you they can give you a drug that will allow oxygen to your muscles quicker and help increase stamina, you don't need to take it all the time and it isn't banned for use and chances are it won't for a long time. It will increase your chances of winning multiple major titles and millions of pounds/dollars/euros. Do you want it?

No one in their right mind would refuse it.

You are probably right, i would deffo consider it, research it etc. Would i 100% take it? i don't honestly know, but i doubt it. When i was playing a decent level of rugby, i was offered all sorts as i was always told i need to bulk up. I always refused and tried my hardest through diet and training. Could i have got further than the South West league? probably yes, but I am happy with what i did and how i did it.

 

[Del_Boy]

But getting it wrong isn't always cheating..

I guess that depends how you interrupt cheating my interpretation is doing something dishonest or unfairly to gain an advantage.

In this case what I am saying is that old Sharapova unfairly to a banned drug.

She has now admitted to her cheating she will accept her penalty move on.

I guess you are saying she is not a cheat until it can be proven that she knowingly took the drug to gain an unfair advantage from 1 Jan 2016

 

[chrisd]

I think it's also important to understand why they have drugs banned. Of course it's because that it's unfair to those who don't have access to, or want not to, take drugs to enhance performance thus preferring to be clean. But, just as important, it's to protect the future health of the people from the damage that less rigorously controlled drug use the user, especially later in life

 

[Del_Boy]

It was longer wasn't it? iirc from the radio yesterday players were told about the drug being investigated/banned early last year. It only initially came to light after it was found a boat load of Russian athletes were disclosing it as an extra supllement they were taking for, yes you've guessed it, heart complaints and diabetes.

I haven't heard WADA advise the timelines of when the information about the drugs being on a watch list or when the drug was banned was advised to athletes, their reps or the info was in the public domain.

Until that time I accept Sharapova's version of events that she was advised via email about the drug being banned on 22 Dec. At that time she failed to read the email and continued to pop the pills. Then when she was tested in mid Jan she accepts that she failed a drugs test for a substance that was banned from 1 Jan.

She is now waiting for her punishment.

 

[Del_Boy]

Not banned and has no signs of being banned and has the ability to give me an edge over my competition?

Absolutely give me it and anyone who says differently must be whiter than white.

You know that whiter than white lot............

Never speeded in a car
Never take a call on a mobile in a car
Never set a sat nav whilst moving

These 3 examples would have been done at some point by most on here, all 3 might even be done on a daily basis.

Or never looked at porn before the age of 18

 

[chrisd]

I know, the driving stuff is illegal and definitely shouldn't be condoned.



I love your morals bud, you do the illegal and wouldn't entertain something that wasn't illegal.

Rooter, think on your question.

You're an up coming talent at 18 and just won your first major title, a doctor tells you they can give you a drug that will allow oxygen to your muscles quicker and help increase stamina, you don't need to take it all the time and it isn't banned for use and chances are it won't for a long time. It will increase your chances of winning multiple major titles and millions of pounds/dollars/euros. Do you want it?

No one in their right mind would refuse it.

That would suggest that no sports people are completely clean