Shallowing the club

[Brownie22297]

Hello mates.

I’ve been working very hard on trying to shallow the club now for the last decade it seems like.Had a few good instructors try.But after the feels and tips they gave me the move would vanish immediately.I’ve tried body rotation and using the weight of the club.All the way to physically using forearm rotation.All with the help of a watchful eye instructor.Seems like no matter what they say it never seems to stick .Beyond discouraging.When im playing or practicing golf it really feels like I’m doing it.But the camera will show my steep approach almost every time.I’ve worked my tail off but I’m getting to the point where I give up on the idea.I can manipulate the club or body as the instructors taught me briefly.But when I’m trying to play for score I can’t do it.This maybe the thing that separates the haves and have nots of good golfers.

Who else gave up on this idea and just played what game they had?

And long time follower.Thought I would sign up

 

[Brownie22297]

Am I doomed to always be steep ?

 

[bobmac]

Am I doomed to always be steep ?

Probably, but it can be used to your advantage if it's consisant

 

[Brownie22297]

Probably, but it can be used to your advantage if it's consisant

I’ve tried bob.Just can’t do it.And went to two top tier instructors as well.Swinging 50 yard 7 irons I can.But normal speed is a no go

So now I just play for a pull

 

[bobmac]

So now I just play for a pull

Perfect. Strengthen the grip a touch, aim right and let the pull happen

 

[Brownie22297]

I think I already do that. I even stumped one pro with all the work i put in. And was still steep.Told me it baffled him

 

[Brownie22297]

Kinda been working on this shallow move again.When I turn a wheel counter clockwise on the backswing. And turn my forearms clockwise on the backswing . That tends to kinda drop me lower than i normally have been full motion

 

[Brownie22297]

This video really helped.As hard as it is too follow.The body working in opposite gears makes sense as well

 

[bobmac]

The problem with ALL these drills is it takes 100% concentration to get it right.

But....what if some other problem sneaks in in the future...say for example you start swaying, or dipping, or early extension etc
You start concentrating on the new problem and what happens to the swing path? the steep swing appears again and your OOB left.

 

[Brownie22297]

The problem with ALL these drills is it takes 100% concentration to get it right.

But....what if some other problem sneaks in in the future...say for example you start swaying, or dipping, or early extension etc
You start concentrating on the new problem and what happens to the swing path? the steep swing appears again and your OOB left.

Agree.Its like a carnival side show of acrobatics and balancing at the same time.If it doesn’t happen somewhat naturally during a real round of golf.Where you play off of many types of different lie angles.Than it’s almost for not.The range is perfectly flat.Ive always thought it has to do with strength as well.Im gym strong and work a construction job.So for me,the club always felt like a feather.Maybe why I’m steep as I can never feel the mass of the club.Where shallow golfers can feel the mass of the club behind them.So being physically strong is not the best thing in golf.Flexibility when you have a big chest and arms is hard as well.I think the teachers just need to admit that some physiques will never be shallow swinging golfers.A vertical shaft in transition needs to be taught as well.But it seems to be frowned on

 

[clubchamp98]

Agree.Its like a carnival side show of acrobatics and balancing at the same time.If it doesn’t happen somewhat naturally during a real round of golf.Where you play off of many types of different lie angles.Than it’s almost for not.The range is perfectly flat.Ive always thought it has to do with strength as well.Im gym strong and work a construction job.So for me,the club always felt like a feather.Maybe why I’m steep as I can never feel the mass of the club.Where shallow golfers can feel the mass of the club behind them.So being physically strong is not the best thing in golf.Flexibility when you have a big chest and arms is hard as well.I think the teachers just need to admit that some physiques will never be shallow swinging golfers.A vertical shaft in transition needs to be taught as well.But it seems to be frowned on

My mates a flagger he’s like a brick outhouse.
He massively overpowers the club.

I tried to get him to feel the head by swinging three irons together.
The extra irons slow you down a bit and you can feel what’s going on.
Give it a try.

 

[Brownie22297]

My mates a flagger he’s like a brick outhouse.
He massively overpowers the club.

I tried to get him to feel the head by swinging three irons together.
The extra irons slow you down a bit and you can feel what’s going on.
Give it a try.

Is he a strong upper body build as well? I really think that is the key why some of us can’t do it

 

[clubchamp98]

Is he a strong upper body build as well? I really think that is the key why some of us can’t do it

Yes he’s as wide as he is tall.

 

[Brownie22297]

My mates a flagger he’s like a brick outhouse.
He massively overpowers the club.

I tried to get him to feel the head by swinging three irons together.
The extra irons slow you down a bit and you can feel what’s going on.
Give it a try.

Yes he’s as wide as he is tall.

Makes sense.Ive noticed the strong long drive hitters are steeper than most as well.

 

[Brownie22297]

Yes he’s as wide as he is tall.

The drill somewhat worked.And only way I can get to the ball with the 3 clubs was with hands way forward.And clubface slightly closed on the way down

I was happy to see a little progress

 

[Brownie22297]

Thanks for the pm from an un named member on here who teaches.Was so simple, wish I could’ve thought of that. Got it after 2 range sessions.
Merry x mas

 

[garyinderry]

Thanks for the pm from an un named member on here who teaches.Was so simple, wish I could’ve thought of that. Got it after 2 range sessions.
Merry x mas

Nice looking action.

 

[Brownie22297]

Nice looking action.

Thanks Gary.. I can’t do all the slow motion micro moves that I was showed during lessons that bleed into my full swing . It has to be a full motion change. If not, I get all off track. If that makes sense

 

[garyinderry]

Thanks Gary.. I can’t do all the slow motion micro moves that I was showed during lessons that bleed into my full swing . It has to be a full motion change. If not, I get all off track. If that makes sense

Your one of the lucky ones. Most people can do it slow. Once the speed comes in it goes back to what's comfortable.

Have you got videos of your old swing. I was looking there but couldn't see it. Love looking at the changes.

 

[Brownie22297]

Your one of the lucky ones. Most people can do it slow. Once the speed comes in it goes back to what's comfortable.

Have you got videos of your old swing. I was looking there but couldn't see it. Love looking at the changes.

it’s still new to me Gary. But seems like speed was the same both ways. Won’t know until I give it a few rounds if it is feasible. Or just go back to my old ways