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Liverpoolphil said:
Surely the verification is where the ball is going ? how it feels , the results that you get. There are many swings out there that will have so many different movements that a pro would say is wrong etc - but the ball goes into the area you want it to go.
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Exactly my point. What happens if the ball doesn't go where you want it to. Is it the online technique, your interpretation or other flaws in the swing preventing it from doing so. How does the average golfer know? I have the most idiosynchratic swing on the forum with numerous flaws. However by getting lessons to suit MY swing I know where the club should be travelling and can deliver it there reasonably regularly. Without that intervention from the teaching pro, how would I know which of my flaws were in the way and which was down to the online video not being right, or indeed being perfect for me but not being able to implement it properly.

It is a simple concept as far as I'm concerned. There is a wealth of information and using it (as I have with chipping etc) is fine but I think (and it's only my opinion) that it needs to be done with trained eyes watching and professional advice to supplement this. I could learn everything I need to know to learn to drive from the internet, but would you be willing to travel in a car unless I had driving lessons and had passed my test
 
why do you persist with these flaws? surely you go to a golfing professional to work these flaws out of your swing. you are not shy of range time and putting in the work. I cannot understand why you have lessons and do not try to stop the "standing up move" in your swing.

the thing about pros having different swings is true. many different backswings, grips, set ups and downswings. the main thing that runs true is impact! the deliver the clubs, at speed, at an angle they like over and over and over again.

You,i am afraid are at the mercy of how much you stand up each time in terms of trying to be completely repeatable.



Liverpoolphil is right, the verification is where the ball is going ? how it feels , the results that you get.

you do these youtube clips and if they work, fine stick with them. if not, bin it and move to the next tip. this is the kind of player that should try and work around a major flaw. not someone paying good money to a pro.
 
garyinderry said:
why do you persist with these flaws? surely you go to a golfing professional to work these flaws out of your swing. you are not shy of range time and putting in the work. I cannot understand why you have lessons and do not try to stop the "standing up move" in your swing.

the thing about pros having different swings is true. many different backswings, grips, set ups and downswings. the main thing that runs true is impact! the deliver the clubs, at speed, at an angle they like over and over and over again.

You,i am afraid are at the mercy of how much you stand up each time in terms of trying to be completely repeatable.



Liverpoolphil is right, the verification is where the ball is going ? how it feels , the results that you get.

you do these youtube clips and if they work, fine stick with them. if not, bin it and move to the next tip. this is the kind of player that should try and work around a major flaw. not someone paying good money to a pro.
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For the first part, it is so ingrained after 30+ years of playing the stand up move is never going to disappear and to be honest the amount of work involved to break such an entrenched flaw isn't worth the hassle as my teaching pro has got me swinging on a better path DESPITE this and so I am hitting it as well as I have for years anyway

As for the second part, that is my whole argument. I spend my time practicing what I have been shown by the pro and working on the drills to improve a technique I know by and large repeats and works on a regular basis. I simply cannot understand why anyone would want to spend any amount of time on a technique that doesn't work. How long do you try it before you bin it? One session, a week. What then. More wasted time on the next one

Surely it's simpler to get a good teacher who can spot what's wrong, work within the parameters of what is already there (and health/flexibility issues) and produce a swing that works for that individual. I simply cannot see why people would invest time and effort on something that may not work. If you do find that golden nugget via video and magazine articles then fantastic. If not I can see it becoming a soul destroying and long winded process with no light at the end of a tunnel
 
For the first part, it is so ingrained after 30+ years of playing the stand up move is never going to disappear and to be honest the amount of work involved to break such an entrenched flaw isn't worth the hassle as my teaching pro has got me swinging on a better path DESPITE this and so I am hitting it as well as I have for years anyway.


complete cop out wishy washy answer. of course the stand up move can be broken. its the same as making any change. this one is no different. completely negative thinking. fixing that move should be your number one priority. of course the pro can get you swinging on a better path but you will always be a the mercy of coming out of the shot by how quickly you are standing up.

I simply cannot understand why anyone would want to spend any amount of time on a technique that doesn't work. How long do you try it before you bin it? One session, a week. What then. More wasted time on the next one

a technique that doesn't work? you are actively persisting with a move you know is counter productive. the pro is trying to work around it.


as far as going out and working on a new tip/ move. I might give it one evening, I might return to the tip months down the line. you can pretty much get a feel if its working quickly enough. the difference is, not spending £30 a pop to be told its getting closer and looks a lot better this week.


golf is a giant learning curve. many of the old pros said, they hit it this way they hit it that way. just to see what it does to the ball and understand what different movements they can do with their swing and how it will influence the ball.

if you only ever take instructions from someone, you will never truly work out what you can do. can you shift the ball on demand? is your pro teaching you how to move the ball or just hit it straight? ive taught myself to draw and fade it. its been hard work but blooming enjoyable. complete trial and error from youtube clips.
 
HomerJSimpson said:
For the first part, it is so ingrained after 30+ years of playing the stand up move is never going to disappear and to be honest the amount of work involved to break such an entrenched flaw isn't worth the hassle as my teaching pro has got me swinging on a better path DESPITE this and so I am hitting it as well as I have for years anyway

As for the second part, that is my whole argument. I spend my time practicing what I have been shown by the pro and working on the drills to improve a technique I know by and large repeats and works on a regular basis. I simply cannot understand why anyone would want to spend any amount of time on a technique that doesn't work. How long do you try it before you bin it? One session, a week. What then. More wasted time on the next one

Surely it's simpler to get a good teacher who can spot what's wrong, work within the parameters of what is already there (and health/flexibility issues) and produce a swing that works for that individual. I simply cannot see why people would invest time and effort on something that may not work. If you do find that golden nugget via video and magazine articles then fantastic. If not I can see it becoming a soul destroying and long winded process with no light at the end of a tunnel
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When did you take golf up again and how long have you been trying to get to single figures ?

You talk about long roads and things not working and a pro being able to spot them etc - how many lessons have you had in that quest of yours - is your methods working better than mine ?

How do you know something won't work until you try it ? Have you never seen a pro do something or seen a tip in a mag and given it a try ?
 
garyinderry said:
For the first part, it is so ingrained after 30+ years of playing the stand up move is never going to disappear and to be honest the amount of work involved to break such an entrenched flaw isn't worth the hassle as my teaching pro has got me swinging on a better path DESPITE this and so I am hitting it as well as I have for years anyway.


complete cop out wishy washy answer. of course the stand up move can be broken. its the same as making any change. this one is no different. completely negative thinking. fixing that move should be your number one priority. of course the pro can get you swinging on a better path but you will always be a the mercy of coming out of the shot by how quickly you are standing up.

I simply cannot understand why anyone would want to spend any amount of time on a technique that doesn't work. How long do you try it before you bin it? One session, a week. What then. More wasted time on the next one

a technique that doesn't work? you are actively persisting with a move you know is counter productive. the pro is trying to work around it.


as far as going out and working on a new tip/ move. I might give it one evening, I might return to the tip months down the line. you can pretty much get a feel if its working quickly enough. the difference is, not spending £30 a pop to be told its getting closer and looks a lot better this week.


golf is a giant learning curve. many of the old pros said, they hit it this way they hit it that way. just to see what it does to the ball and understand what different movements they can do with their swing and how it will influence the ball.

if you only ever take instructions from someone, you will never truly work out what you can do. can you shift the ball on demand? is your pro teaching you how to move the ball or just hit it straight? ive taught myself to draw and fade it. its been hard work but blooming enjoyable. complete trial and error from youtube clips.
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Your last two posts are 100% spot on and my idea of learning and playing golf !!
 
Clearly we have different ways of learning. I'm happy with my progression and more than happy ploughing my own path towards single figures without resorting to online or magazine articles. Whether they are some kind of short cut or not isn't important as I've decided they aren't the best way for me to learn. Those that do benefit from then great but I'll take my own (longer) path and enjoy the journey.

Still think we're going around in circles now. My position is chrystal and not going to change so think I'm done here now
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Clearly we have different ways of learning. I'm happy with my progression and more than happy ploughing my own path towards single figures without resorting to online or magazine articles. Whether they are some kind of short cut or not isn't important as I've decided they aren't the best way for me to learn. Those that do benefit from then great but I'll take my own (longer) path and enjoy the journey.

Still think we're going around in circles now. My position is chrystal and not going to change so think I'm done here now
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Why won't you answer the direct questions homer ? Have you never ever tried something you have seen without the way so of a pro ?

Why do you keep talking about doing stuff that may not work from magazines and internet etc when sorry for being blunt your method of going to a pro all the time appears not to work ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why won't you answer the direct questions homer ? Have you never ever tried something you have seen without the way so of a pro ?

Why do you keep talking about doing stuff that may not work from magazines and internet etc when sorry for being blunt your method of going to a pro all the time appears not to work ?
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Not answering because we're going round in circles. I have tried stuff from magazines and videos and went through a period about 5 years ago of trying to self diagnose, work hard on swing changes and frankly ruined what I already had and spent a long and frustrating summer trying to rectify things and not enjoying my golf. IS THAT A SIMPLE ENOUGH ANSWER.

My method is working FOR ME. Down from 14-10 although back to 12 last year as some big changes took time to work. 2014 much better with a KoK win, a swindle win and already a cut back to 11. I've more than explained my position. PLEASE DON'T ASK FOR ANY FURTHER ANSWERS OR VERIFICATION OF MY METHODS. Online doesn't AND HASN'T WORKED FOR ME
 
garyinderry said:
I simply cannot understand why anyone would want to spend any amount of time on a technique that doesn't work. How long do you try it before you bin it? One session, a week. What then. More wasted time on the next one
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3 'bad' swings with a club - when the swing isn't 'bad' with other clubs? :whistle:
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Not answering because we're going round in circles. I have tried stuff from magazines and videos and went through a period about 5 years ago of trying to self diagnose, work hard on swing changes and frankly ruined what I already had and spent a long and frustrating summer trying to rectify things and not enjoying my golf. IS THAT A SIMPLE ENOUGH ANSWER.

My method is working FOR ME. Down from 14-10 although back to 12 last year as some big changes took time to work. 2014 much better with a KoK win, a swindle win and already a cut back to 11. I've more than explained my position. PLEASE DON'T ASK FOR ANY FURTHER ANSWERS OR VERIFICATION OF MY METHODS. Online doesn't AND HASN'T WORKED FOR ME
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Just had a sneak look at your blog

4 years ago in Jan 2010 - HC - 11.2
Current HC - 11.1

The problem is homer you keep dismissing the use of internet and magazines etc and keep on saying about "why do something that may not work" - well you appear to be doing that and when challenged again the defences are put on. Remember it was you again that responded to one of my posts again this morning stating the same thing about not working etc etc

Well being blunt it appears spending thousands on lessons and hours and hours of practising appear not to be working for you - maybe there is a fundamental flaw that needs sorting out somewhere - standing up would appear to be an obvious one that IMO you should iron out
 
ArnoldArmChewer said:
Yes, but not one of them ever to to No 1 in the world rankings.
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Er. Mozart did - at Billiards!

Galileo did - at 'villified'! (Copernicus wasn't far behind!)

Shakespeare did - at Cliches!

Brunel did - at Hat Height and Shipbuilding!

Archimedes did too - at Bathing, Screwing and Leverage!

:rolleyes:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Just had a sneak look at your blog

4 years ago in Jan 2010 - HC - 11.2
Current HC - 11.1

The problem is homer you keep dismissing the use of internet and magazines etc and keep on saying about "why do something that may not work" - well you appear to be doing that and when challenged again the defences are put on. Remember it was you again that responded to one of my posts again this morning stating the same thing about not working etc etc

Well being blunt it appears spending thousands on lessons and hours and hours of practising appear not to be working for you - maybe there is a fundamental flaw that needs sorting out somewhere - standing up would appear to be an obvious one that IMO you should iron out
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Huge assumption on how much I spent (which frankly is none of your business anyway and your estimation is way off). Handicap has been as high as 13 and as low as 10.something (in work so can't look) and single figures was close. I'm not defensive. Just tired of you ignoring detailed explanations and still coming back with banal questions. Please re read my threads as my views are simple to understand.

You have no idea about my swing as I have none about yours and so please dont pass comment on what I should or shouldn't do. It has nothing to do with you. End of conversation
 
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