Scottish independence

[ger147]

Problem with living in England is that these days LibDems and Tories are part and parcel of the same 'coalition' thing - so the fact the the coalition Scottish Secretary is a LibDem would easily evade me. Until I heard that he was the Orkney MP - so then knew he couldn't be the Tory.

Both the Tory and LibDem on last night's panel were born in Scotland and still live here, so they both have a vote in next year's referendum.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Whatever happened to the Comyns?

They were just a bunch of Reds.

 

[ger147]

True, but then the Scottish monarchy effectively ceased to exist and we've had more than one diversion since then. The Hanovarians we've got running the show in England now probably wouldn't qualify as legitimate and direct descendents of the last true Scottish king.

The Scottish monarchy did not cease to exist. The Union of the Crowns in 1603 joined the monarchies and the Acts of Union in 1706/7 joined Scotland and England.

The current monarchy belongs equally to both Scotland and England.

 

[cleanstrike]

The Scottish monarchy did not cease to exist. The Union of the Crowns in 1603 joined the monarchies and the Acts of Union in 1706/7 joined Scotland and England.

The current monarchy belongs equally to both Scotland and England.

Okay then, if you wish to be pedantic. I'll qualify it by saying that a Scottish monarchy independent and separate from that of England effectively ceased to exist at that point in history.

 

[ger147]

Okay then, if you wish to be pedantic. I'll qualify it by saying that a Scottish monarchy independent and separate from that of England effectively ceased to exist at that point in history.

As did an English monarchy independent and separate from Scotland...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Both the Tory and LibDem on last night's panel were born in Scotland and still live here, so they both have a vote in next year's referendum.

Guess they'll be voting NO

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

They were just a bunch of Reds.

which was 'bad enough' (sorry)

 

[cleanstrike]

As did an English monarchy independent and separate from Scotland...

Well, that much is obvious. The point I'm try to make is that the present incumbent to the English throne is not necessarily the legitimate and rightful heir to an independent Scottish monarchy through cause of Parliamentary interference and the Act of Settlement (1701).

At the moment, male-preference cognatic primogeniture still stands so, in theory, it might be argued that the heir apparent to a revitalised independent Scottish monarchy stands with the descendents of Charles Edward Stuart (aka Bonnie Prince Charlie).
[h=3][/h]

 

[ger147]

Well, that much is obvious. The point I'm try to make is that the present incumbent to the English throne is not necessarily the legitimate and rightful heir to an independent Scottish monarchy through cause of Parliamentary interference and the Act of Settlement (1701).

At the moment, male-preference cognatic primogeniture still stands so, in theory, it might be argued that the heir apparent to a revitalised independent Scottish monarchy stands with the descendents of Charles Edward Stuart (aka Bonnie Prince Charlie).

So will the English have to look for a rightful descendant of Elizabeth I?

My point is that your point is wrong...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well, that much is obvious. The point I'm try to make is that the present incumbent to the English throne is not necessarily the legitimate and rightful heir to an independent Scottish monarchy through cause of Parliamentary interference and the Act of Settlement (1701).

At the moment, male-preference cognatic primogeniture still stands so, in theory, it might be argued that the heir apparent to a revitalised independent Scottish monarchy stands with the descendents of Charles Edward Stuart (aka Bonnie Prince Charlie).
[h=3][/h]

Oh gawd - that would go down well at Ibroke so don't mention it to them. Those of the more Jungle persuasion would be delighted no doubt.

 

[CliveW]

True, but then the Scottish monarchy effectively ceased to exist and we've had more than one diversion since then. The Hanovarians we've got running the show in England now probably wouldn't qualify as legitimate and direct descendents of the last true Scottish king.

... So you already have an independant monarch?

 

[ger147]

... So you already have an independant monarch?

No, and there are no proposals to change that.

 

[Old Skier]

If there is a yes vote and Scotland are not able to join the EU who will be responsible for paying the pensions and benefits of all those immigrants that remain south of the border.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

If there is a yes vote and Scotland are not able to join the EU who will be responsible for paying the pensions and benefits of all those immigrants that remain south of the border.

Not gonna happen.

Or we could turn the scare story on it's head and come up with an equally never gonna happen scenario.

Scotland vote yes, effectively a dissolving of The UK, Brussels says, hang on, we agreed the rebate with The UK, but The UK no longer exists in the same form, so that rebatet should be looked at again.France and Germany chuckle, tell Cameron that The old UK and Sevco UK are different, so the rebate is now invalid.

Queue implosion in Westminster.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If there is a yes vote and Scotland are not able to join the EU who will be responsible for paying the pensions and benefits of all those immigrants that remain south of the border.

I can't quite get my head around what you are saying there Old Skier, can you expand a bit so that I can understand please.

 

[Old Skier]

Not gonna happen.

Or we could turn the scare story on it's head and come up with an equally never gonna happen scenario.

Scotland vote yes, effectively a dissolving of The UK, Brussels says, hang on, we agreed the rebate with The UK, but The UK no longer exists in the same form, so that rebatet should be looked at again.France and Germany chuckle, tell Cameron that The old UK and Sevco UK are different, so the rebate is now invalid.

Queue implosion in Westminster.

Far fetched I agree, however the whole thing is based on if's, but's and maybe's on the Yes side so perhaps anything might all of a sudden be chucked on the table.

This whole thread is based on a whole herd of guesses.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I can't quite get my head around what you are saying there Old Skier, can you expand a bit so that I can understand please.

I'll hazard a guess he means Scottish folk living in England, non-EU citizens.Twisted logic, but the only one I can think of.

 

[ger147]

And we've never got back to the OP's original question - if Scotland vote Yes what happens to the Open?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Far fetched I agree, however the whole thing is based on if's, but's and maybe's on the Yes side so perhaps anything might all of a sudden be chucked on the table.

This whole thread is based on a whole herd of guesses.

On The No side,too.Not one shred of fact, nothing.Scare stories and project fear.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

And we've never got back to the OP's original question - if Scotland vote Yes what happens to the Open?

The course rota is reduced to those in Scotland, at the behest of The R&A in St.Andrews