Scottish Fitba'

[GreiginFife]

The constant references to "55" in a desperate attempt to bolster the notion that the club did not die in 2012 are pretty cringeworthy. It even got a mention in the letter of complaint the Rangers chairman sent to the Scottish Govt, blaming them for the weekend scenes.

I'd bet 99% of Celtic fans couldn't tell you off the top of their head how many titles the club has won. Same goes for Man Utd, Liverpool, Bayern, Ajax or any other consistently successful club.

I don't remember anyone banging on about "the 54" back in 2011.

From the outside looking in (which is not a pretty view) it's almost as cringeworthy as Celtic fan's constant desperate attempt to claim the club died.

As much as most Scottish fans outside of the OF would dearly wish it to be true (and that of both halves) it's simply not the case, no matter how hard Cellic fans stamp their feet.

Similarly, few else in Scotland care if it's 55 or 56. When 106 of a possible 125 titles have gone to the Glesga bigot brothers, it makes little odds.

But, lets all deal in facts and not what we think should be the case.

 

[IanM]

Same ground, same colours, same name, same fanbase, same songs, same traditions..... equals the same club!

Of course I am talking about Aldershot FC who went bust in 1992 (before it became trendy) and reformed from scratch at the base of the football pyramid, before retuning to the League in 2008.

I couldn't possibly comment about anyone else

 

[rudebhoy]

All Celtic fans know is that it is less than Rangers.?

less than the old and sadly deceased club, I'll give you that

 

[williamalex1]

But did you get 54 on your old phone? ??

Martin try the Guinness book of records or Google it .

 

[rudebhoy]

Same ground, same colours, same name, same fanbase, same songs, same traditions..... equals the same club!

Of course I am talking about Aldershot FC who went bust in 1992 (before it became trendy) and reformed from scratch at the base of the football pyramid, before retuning to the League in 2008.

I couldn't possibly comment about anyone else

at least you admit those bits

 

[rudebhoy]

Scottish football has a number of clubs who have ended up the same way as Rangers – going into liquidation and then being reborn as a newco – Airdrieonians, Gretna, Clydebank and Third Lanark.

Third Lanark went into liquidation in 1967 and has only re-emerged within Scottish football over the past few years. The current reincarnation of the Hi-hi’s cannot lay claim to the 15 trophies won by their fore bearers.

Likewise Clydebank formed in 1965 and went into liquidation in 2002, saw their history wiped out and consigned to history books, while they saw their registration bought over by Airdrie United under Jim Ballantyne after the Lanarkshire club’s previous namesake Airdrieonians went bust.

Neither Airdrie United nor Clydebank lay claim to the titles of their forebearers, neither do Gretna 2008 whose previous namesake Gretna Football Club were liquidated in 2008 and reborn as Gretna FC 2008 Ltd.

Of those clubs that went into liquidation a total of 18 major trophies have been consigned to the history books and have been honourably laid to rest along with the defunct clubs.

So what makes Rangers so different? They aren’t.


some interesting quotes

"We can now say that 140 years of history have effectively come to an end." - Alex Rae, former Rangers player 13/06/2012
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/former-rangers-star-alex-rae-1129116


Rangers FC as we know them are dead. It’s all over. They are about to shut down for ever but not a single person among the game’s hierarchy was open for comment. And that just about sums it up for Rangers, the club the rest of the Scottish game came to detest.

We are still waiting for the verdicts on EBT schemes and dual contracts but the fans of every other club have passed judgment. Rangers are guilty. Of course they are. They’re cheats and liars. Everybody knows that. They can’t help themselves, it’s in their DNA. And of course they must be stripped of their titles, trophies and dignity. Oh, and don’t forget those five stars above their badge, Get them torn off as well.

Yesterday the CVA proposal put forward on behalf of Charles Green by administrators Duff and Phelps was rejected by HMRC. They didn’t even wait until tomorrow’s creditors’ meeting, although that will still go ahead. But Rangers FC won’t. They’ll slip into liquidation within the next couple of weeks with a new company emerging but 140 years of history, triumph and tears, will have ended.

No matter how Charles Green attempts to dress it up, a newco equals a new club. When the CVA was thrown out Rangers as we know them died.
Jim Traynor, Rangers PR Chief, 13/06/2012 https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/james-traynor-spl-will-not-be-able-1129166


"We wish the new Rangers Football Club every good fortune."Walter Smith, former Rangers manager 19/06/2012 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18503656

 

[KenL]

Fifa say it is the same football club, is that not good enough.

If celtic fans were right. How embarrassing to lose the league to a new team that only formed and entered the lowest league less than 10 years ago.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Same ground, same colours, same name, same fanbase, same songs, same traditions..... equals the same club!

Of course I am talking about Aldershot FC who went bust in 1992 (before it became trendy) and reformed from scratch at the base of the football pyramid, before retuning to the League in 2008.

I couldn't possibly comment about anyone else

Was it not Aldershot Town in the olden days.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Martin try the Guinness book of records or Google it .

Yeah but most of them were in black and white, surprised that they still count

 

[williamalex1]

Yeah but most of them were in black and white, surprised that they still count

Try Wikipedia for the Rangers facts.

 

[rudebhoy]

Fifa say it is the same football club, is that not good enough.

If celtic fans were right. How embarrassing to lose the league to a new team that only formed and entered the lowest league less than 10 years ago.

1st point - Were FIFA asked to adjudicate on the matter, or are you referring to a throwaway line written by a journalist in their weekly magazine? Your club was liquidated and the assets sold to the highest bidder, who then set up a new club and applied to join the league structure. Those are the facts. Do you dispute any of them?
2nd point - totally agree, it is embarrassing.

 

[rudebhoy]

Try Wikipedia for the Rangers facts.

you do know who writes the Wiki articles, don't you?

 

[IanM]

Was it not Aldershot Town in the olden days.

The "Town" suffix was historically used from time to time, but was not part of the official title pre 1992.

Suffice to say, there have been lots of clubs "go under" since 1992 and both their fans and rivals seem to accept the reincarnation as the "same club" .................except in Glasgow. (genuinely, why is this?)

I have never done a search on Companies House to check the legal status of Reading FC. We haven't played em in years, but still have an affectionate irrational hatred of them.

 

[rudebhoy]

The "Town" suffix was historically used from time to time, but was not part of the official title pre 1992.

Suffice to say, there have been lots of clubs "go under" since 1992 and both their fans and rivals seem to accept the reincarnation as the "same club" .................except in Glasgow. (genuinely, why is this?)

I have never done a search on Companies House to check the legal status of Reading FC. We haven't played em in years, but still have an affectionate irrational hatred of them.

If you mean go into administration, I agree. There haven't been many which have been totally liquidated and the assets sold.

The only other league clubs who have been liquidated this century are

Rushden & Diamonds
Darlington
Chester City
Clydebank
Airdrieonians
Gretna


All of the above folded and were eventually replaced by new clubs (with subtly different names) who applied to join the league structure, mainly at a much lower level.

The other higher profile clubs which I suspect you are thinking of (e.g. Leeds, Leicester, Bolton etc) were all eventually able to successfully exit Administration and carry on as before.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I decided a while back that it was time to finish with the: Sevco; The Rangers; Rangers*; Ibroke - stuff.

But still nice to give that lot a little outing

 

[IanM]

Yes, I was thinking about the ones you listed as "new clubs" and the many others in Tier 5 when they failed.... the point I was making was, when Shrewsbury draw Chester in the Cup, the "legal reformation" won't even be mentioned... old rivalries will resume. Hence my question why the topic is so prevalent in Glasgow?

I decided a while back that it was time to finish with the: Sevco; The Rangers; Rangers*; Ibroke - stuff.

But still nice to give that lot a little outing

And, you are just wee trouble maker!!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You can tell when Rangers become successful again - all the old stuff about new club etc gets dragged out by fans from the other teams

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Yes, I was thinking about the ones you listed as "new clubs" and the many others in Tier 5 when they failed.... the point I was making was, when Shrewsbury draw Chester in the Cup, the "legal reformation" won't even be mentioned... old rivalries will resume. Hence my question why the topic is so prevalent in Glasgow?



And, you are just wee trouble maker!!

As I say...it's past - but Gers fans could do with not giving the rest of us reason to bring it out of the cupboard every so often. Just a little bit less triumphalism and going on about 55 (after all 55 is a fruit juice is in not?). But hey. We on the outside looking on do so more in dismay than amusement.

That said - I may continue for a short while mentioning the recent triumph of my own wee team - such triumphs being rarities - when triumphs usually amount to no better than getting into the Top 6 of the league

 

[toyboy54]

You can tell when Rangers become successful again - all the old stuff about new club etc gets dragged out by fans from the other teams

Why,thank you LP,so observant,yet so true!...'Fans from the other cubs'?
Don't think I can be ersed enough to ask -will just watch the golf(and pray McIntyre gets his game together-@+3)
Anyway roll on tonight-think (hope) 2-0!

 

[rudebhoy]

You can tell when Rangers become successful again - all the old stuff about new club etc gets dragged out by fans from the other teams

I honestly wouldn't have mentioned it if it wasn't for some folk banging on about "55" non-stop