Scottish Fitba'

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Watched the highlights of the Saintees Rangers game last night.
Some fantastic open football from both teams and some great keeping by both the goalies.

Well if it is as I guess the Celtic game you mean - then yes - the football looked not too bad especially from a diddy team (you can choose... ). Interesting from a Saints fan perspective that despite the feedback on the game I've picked up and read - Saints played really and matched up against Celtic well - much of the TV highlights seemed to show Celtic hammering away at Saints. Ah well. I suppose good structure and organisation often don't make for great highlights - so I'll take that

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Do the Celtic fans no harm at all to know what losing feels like. Going to every game thinking how many will we win by today is not football.
The reason the old firm was/is a great rivalry was intense competition. It even drove both teams to the top of European football in late 60s early 70s. All home grown lads too.
This is the first season in a long long time that it's not looking like a green and white procession to the title, I for one as a Dons fan like that.
Agreed there is ample time for Celtic and Lennon to turn this league season around however I think Rangers will get there this time, they do look decent this season.
Not Lennon's fault Rangers have improved 30% on last year.

Agreed - other than my brother and his family who are on in the Rangers camp - my cousins are Saints, Aberdeen, Ross County, Inverness Cally and Elgin City fans

 

[ger147]

Do the Celtic fans no harm at all to know what losing feels like. Going to every game thinking how many will we win by today is not football.
The reason the old firm was/is a great rivalry was intense competition. It even drove both teams to the top of European football in late 60s early 70s. All home grown lads too.
This is the first season in a long long time that it's not looking like a green and white procession to the title, I for one as a Dons fan like that.
Agreed there is ample time for Celtic and Lennon to turn this league season around however I think Rangers will get there this time, they do look decent this season.
Not Lennon's fault Rangers have improved 30% on last year.

Most Celtic fans know what losing feels like, but I agree it may well do some of the idiots gathering outside Parkhead, sticking up their banners etc. some good to realise their team is not entitled to win everything every year. I don't hold out much hope but you never know.

That said, everyone knows Lennon's time is up. Will be interesting to see what route the board choose with his replacement after opting for the cheap option last time.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well if it is as I guess the Celtic game you mean - then yes - the football looked not too bad especially from a diddy team (you can choose... ). Interesting from a Saints fan perspective that despite the feedback on the game I've picked up and read - Saints played really and matched up against Celtic well - much of the TV highlights seemed to show Celtic hammering away at Saints. Ah well. I suppose good structure and organisation often don't make for great highlights - so I'll take that

OOPS. yes Celtic of course.


I see Celtic fans have a banner blaming Lennon for failing to deliver 10 league wins in a row.
What age are these people 5.
As Kaz says earlier they are only a few points behind Rangers if they win their games in hand.

 

[rudebhoy]

Do the Celtic fans no harm at all to know what losing feels like. Going to every game thinking how many will we win by today is not football.
The reason the old firm was/is a great rivalry was intense competition. It even drove both teams to the top of European football in late 60s early 70s. All home grown lads too.
This is the first season in a long long time that it's not looking like a green and white procession to the title, I for one as a Dons fan like that.
Agreed there is ample time for Celtic and Lennon to turn this league season around however I think Rangers will get there this time, they do look decent this season.
Not Lennon's fault Rangers have improved 30% on last year.

No, but it's Lennon's fault they have only won 2 out their last 12 games.

It's Lennon's fault they have been a shambles in Europe, beaten at home by a Hungarian team in a one-off CL qualifier which would have netted the club £20m, then getting 1 point from 5 games in the EL despite being top seeds in their group.

I've watched every Celtic game this season, and they have been dire in most of them, and it's getting worse every week. A change is desperately needed.

 

[rudebhoy]

OOPS. yes Celtic of course.


I see Celtic fans have a banner blaming Lennon for failing to deliver 10 league wins in a row.
What age are these people 5.
As Kaz says earlier they are only a few points behind Rangers if they win their games in hand.

The banner also criticises the owner and the CEO, they are the ones who appointed Lennon, a cheap option but a massive downgrade on Rodgers, and continue to support him.

They are not going to win their games in hand under Lennon. I fear for them in the cup final as well.

It looks like, barring a catastrophe in the cup final, the board are going to stick with him until the NY Rangers game, which they will lose, and that will be any hope of the league gone.

 

[williamalex1]

OOPS. yes Celtic of course.


I see Celtic fans have a banner blaming Lennon for failing to deliver 10 league wins in a row.
What age are these people 5.
As Kaz says earlier they are only a few points behind Rangers if they win their games in hand.

I heard they're fitting a speed camera outside Celtic park, best chance of getting 3 points

 

[rudebhoy]

It’s traditional for the wheels to come off as a team goes for TIAR. Next stage is the manager announces he will leave at the end of the season and the players will subconsciously “down tools”.

TIAR was not much of a thing in the fans' minds when Celtic were going for it in the 70s. When Rangers were going for it in the 90s, it was a massive thing to both sets of fans, but Rangers never fell apart, the league went to the final day.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It did, but was very similar in that Celtic improved and rangers went backwards.

Still far to early to say how this season will end.

St Johnstone will be 6th

Livi and then St Midden in the league until we take on the mighty Rangers (note deferential tone - though perhaps with tongue in cheek )...and do Celtic a favour...mibbe...hmmm

But in between - and much more important than all of that OF stuff...the Pars next Tuesday at EEP in the LC. COYS

 

[User62651]

No, but it's Lennon's fault they have only won 2 out their last 12 games.

It's Lennon's fault they have been a shambles in Europe, beaten at home by a Hungarian team in a one-off CL qualifier which would have netted the club £20m, then getting 1 point from 5 games in the EL despite being top seeds in their group.

I've watched every Celtic game this season, and they have been dire in most of them, and it's getting worse every week. A change is desperately needed.

Think Broonaldo is a factor, normally he'd be the one driving them on, getting on the case of those underperforming, real captain but perhaps old father time has caught him up, seems to be a shadow of the player of 2 or 3 seasons ago and the 'bite' is missing.

Rodgers was a steal, a one off I think to get a proven EPL coach up here still in his prime, Celtic had a particular cultural draw for him. If you sack Lennon who are you going to get in? No-one working up here springs to mind. What is Ronny Deila doing these days?

Wrt Europe it surprises me that the Hungarian champions are dismissed as if they were from Iceland or Liechtenstein. Hungary has a decent football history and they're more populous country than Scotland with football still being their primary sport.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Think Broonaldo is a factor, normally he'd be the one driving them on, getting on the case of those underperforming, real captain but perhaps old father time has caught him up, seems to be a shadow of the player of 2 or 3 seasons ago and the 'bite' is missing.

Rodgers was a steal, a one off I think to get a proven EPL coach up here still in his prime, Celtic had a particular cultural draw for him. If you sack Lennon who are you going to get in? No-one working up here springs to mind. What is Ronny Deila doing these days?

Wrt Europe it surprises me that the Hungarian champions are dismissed as if they were from Iceland or Liechtenstein. Hungary has a decent football history and they're more populous country than Scotland with football still being their primary sport.

Tommy W?

 

[User62651]

Tommy W?

No, he doesn't have the pedigree managing just St Johnstone outside of Northern Ireland. Think he's suited to the counter-attacking small team remit where finishing 4th is a great achievement.

 

[rudebhoy]

Think Broonaldo is a factor, normally he'd be the one driving them on, getting on the case of those underperforming, real captain but perhaps old father time has caught him up, seems to be a shadow of the player of 2 or 3 seasons ago and the 'bite' is missing.

Rodgers was a steal, a one off I think to get a proven EPL coach up here still in his prime, Celtic had a particular cultural draw for him. If you sack Lennon who are you going to get in? No-one working up here springs to mind. What is Ronny Deila doing these days?

Wrt Europe it surprises me that the Hungarian champions are dismissed as if they were from Iceland or Liechtenstein. Hungary has a decent football history and they're more populous country than Scotland with football still being their primary sport.

I wasn't dismissing them, but Celtic would expect to beat them with home advantage and a budget 4 or 5 times what theirs is. They got 1 point from 6 games in their CL group, they are no great shakes.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No, he doesn't have the pedigree managing just St Johnstone outside of Northern Ireland. Think he's suited to the counter-attacking small team remit where finishing 4th is a great achievement.

3rd in 2013 was even greater

But you are quite right. Though TommyW might know Scottish football extremely well - his European experience is very limited and for Celtic building towards significant success in Europe is where it's at.

 

[HankMarvin]

I see there is a protest arranged for Sunday @ 1pm outside parkhead, well i can see that going well. Probably the last thing the players need before the game.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I see there is a protest arranged for Sunday @ 1pm outside parkhead, well i can see that going well. Probably the last thing the players need before the game.

Paradise Lost...?

 

[ger147]

Interesting theory that shaktar Donetsk deliberately played out a draw that sees them drop into the europa league rather than try for the win that would have seen them progress in the champions league.

What a mess these competitions are.

Shaktar are a strong side, they will have a pretty good chance at winning the UEFA Cup with a favourable draw, so not a big surprise if that's true.

 

[GreiginFife]

Interesting theory that shaktar Donetsk deliberately played out a draw that sees them drop into the europa league rather than try for the win that would have seen them progress in the champions league.

What a mess these competitions are.

There should be no trapdoor in to the Europa League from the CL, said it for years. You qualify for a tournament and play that until you are eliminated, full stop.

Same with the qualifying rounds, if you aren't good enough then tough.

 

[GreiginFife]

Absolutely. I don’t like but can almost accept teams dropping into the groups but not now it’s at the knockout stage.

Not for me with qualifying. This year excepted, you get two shots at each qualifying round. If you are not good enough over 180 minutes then it should be game over. Not, ah well have another shot at a lesser tournament.
No, for me it should be the equivalent of "yer tea's oot".

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not for me with qualifying. This year excepted, you get two shots at each qualifying round. If you are not good enough over 180 minutes then it should be game over. Not, ah well have another shot at a lesser tournament.
No, for me it should be the equivalent of "yer tea's oot".

...or similarly it should be "ye'll have hud yer tea" rather than "ye'll be stayin' fur yer tea" as it is now.