Scotland V Germany

[Three]

In other countries they call that patriotism.
Not sure us English are allowed that nowadays

 

[FairwayDodger]

In other countries they call that patriotism.
Not sure us English are allowed that nowadays

Don't misunderstand me, there's nothing wrong with the English media being jingoistic rather than impartial. The problem is that we get the same coverage. Give us unbiased commentary and you'd probably find more of us supporting England.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

You've obviously never sat in a bar in Ireland, Wales or Scotland when England are playing anyone in any sport.

They hate us, it's pure vitriol. ABE, Anyone But England, like FairwayDodger said somewhere.

I gave up on this friendly business of supporting our neighbours a long time ago.

Sat in many a bar in many countries and saw the hatred and had the banter, so what, happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone from those proud nations and keep my pride, we've got just as many mindless idiots as them.
We've brought a lot of it on to ourselves, look at the hooliganism of the 80's and 90's.
Proud to be English, Proud to be British and no issue with our fellow Britains, especially over sport.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

In other countries they call that patriotism.
Not sure us English are allowed that nowadays

Nobody likes us, everybody hates us.....blah blah blah, own worst enemy.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

think I was mibbe being a wee bit t-i-c?

:lol: I thought you were, but I posted in case others didn't.

 

[Three]

Sat in many a bar in many countries and saw the hatred and had the banter, so what, happy to stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone from those proud nations and keep my pride, we've got just as many mindless idiots as them.
We've brought a lot of it on to ourselves, look at the hooliganism of the 80's and 90's.
Proud to be English, Proud to be British and no issue with our fellow Britains, especially over sport.

I agree.

Just saying that I no longer support the British and Irish teams like so many English do, I just don't care either way now.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Your point?

Surprised he is still only 37, seems to have been around for ever.
I was hoping for a more recent name.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Surprised he is still only 37, seems to have been around for ever.
I was hoping for a more recent name.

You said it was difficult to name a player within the last 20 years - NW named one straight away - are you changing the boundaries ?

 

[ger147]

Surprised he is still only 37, seems to have been around for ever.
I was hoping for a more recent name.

There certainly haven't been loads, but off the top of my head Forrest and McGeady both came thru the ranks at Celtic and Scott Wilson broke thru at Rangers before signing for Liverpool reserves. And Lewis McLeod recently broke thru at Ibrox but Rangers couldn't turn down the money offered for him in the situation they were in last year when the bid came in.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You said it was difficult to name a player within the last 20 years - NW named one straight away - are you changing the boundaries ?

I will admit that he is just inside age the boundary, trouble is that he has not played at a decent level for some time now.
He falls into the Neil Lennon, Butch Wilkins, Paul Lambert style of midfielder so probably some will see him as a decent player.

My point being that it is difficult to name a decent young player that The Rangers or Celtic have developed over the last 20 years.
There does not seem to be a flood of them.

 

[c1973]

Who have, let's say, Hearts and St Johnstone brought through the ranks for the national team lately?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I will admit that he is just inside age the boundary, trouble is that he has not played at a decent level for some time now.
He falls into the Neil Lennon, Butch Wilkins, Paul Lambert style of midfielder so probably some will see him as a decent player.

My point being that it is difficult to name a decent young player that The Rangers or Celtic have developed over the last 20 years.
There does not seem to be a flood of them.

It's not difficult - Barry Ferguson

No matter how many times you dismiss it he was a very good player for Scotland and was developed by Rangers

 

[ger147]

Who have, let's say, Hearts and St Johnstone brought through the ranks for the national team lately?

From the last Scotland game, Maloney and Mulgrew came thru the Celtic youth system and Craig Gordon thru the Hearts youth set up.

So there are deffo some making the grade, altho not as many as we need.

EDIT - Marshall who actually played in goal, not Gordon, also came thru the ranks at Celtic.

 

[c1973]

From the last Scotland game, Maloney and Mulgrew came thru the Celtic youth system and Craig Gordon thru the Hearts youth set up.

So there are deffo some making the grade, altho not as many as we need.

Not exactly a flood of players from Hearts or St Johnstone though.

 

[ger147]

Not exactly a flood of players from Hearts or St Johnstone though.

Eh naw.

Doon does have a point about Celtic and Rangers sooking up all the best players from the wee teams but they do also produce their own (some of which I have listed above). I suspect the Big 2 will have to do a better job of transitioning more young players into their 1st teams as the cost of signing and/or keeping even decent players is WAY beyond the means of Scottish teams these days.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I will admit that he is just inside age the boundary, trouble is that he has not played at a decent level for some time now.
He falls into the Neil Lennon, Butch Wilkins, Paul Lambert style of midfielder so probably some will see him as a decent player.

My point being that it is difficult to name a decent young player that The Rangers or Celtic have developed over the last 20 years.
There does not seem to be a flood of them.

James Forest, Aiden McGeedy, Charlie Mulgrew, David Marshall, Alan McGregor, Alan Hutton, Danny Wilson, Lewis Mcleod, Ross McCormack, Chris Burke, Charlie Adam off the top of my head. And plenty others plying their trade in the SPL or in England at the moment.

 

[Val]

James Forest, Aiden McGeedy, Charlie Mulgrew, David Marshall, Alan McGregor, Alan Hutton, Danny Wilson, Lewis Mcleod, Ross McCormack, Chris Burke, Charlie Adam off the top of my head. And plenty others plying their trade in the SPL or in England at the moment.

I tried to drip feed him as he doesn't appear to be very bright.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I tried to drip feed him as he doesn't appear to be very bright.

I bet there are plenty more than that from Celtic as well but, with my sympathies, you'll appreciate that I'm not as tuned in to them.

Whatever happened to John Fleck? I thought he was going to be a superstar but don't remember where he went....

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I tried to drip feed him as he doesn't appear to be very bright.

More likely embarrassed at the quality I think

 

[c1973]

I'll ask again.

Hearts, St Johnstone, how many have they brought through?


Come on now, must be loads, otherwise the resident Jambo and tractor boy (St Johnstone fan) wouldn't be so quick to criticise rangers and celtic (every chance they get, whether relevant or not) for their contribution over the years.



Over to you lads, give us a nice long list of quality youngsters that have came through yer ranks and set international football alight with their skills.


(Could be quite a long wait methinks).