Scotland V Germany

NWJocko said:
Looks that way, expectations were low (well mine were) when we pulled that group anyway. Might scrape into a play off but doubt we'd get through that either!
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Thought it would come down to the three teams ROI , Poland and Scotland and it looks like the result against Georgia is going to be the killer
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Thought it would come down to the three teams ROI , Poland and Scotland and it looks like the result against Georgia is going to be the killer
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It was always going to be between us 3 for 2nd but we're the weakest team of the 3 hence low expectations.

Scoreline flattered us last night, Germany were very impressive.
 
2nd highest ranking team in the group I believe. Drawn against the bottom ranked team in every pot (with the exception of Germany) were they not?
Poland are not the team they were, neither are ROI and you should be dealing with teams like Georgia to be perfectly honest.

They should be qualifying from a group like that imo. Not struggling to make the play offs. Half of Europe (or as near as damn it) are qualifying for this tourney for pitys sake.
 
c1973 said:
2nd highest ranking team in the group I believe. Drawn against the bottom ranked team in every pot (with the exception of Germany) were they not?
Poland are not the team they were, neither are ROI and you should be dealing with teams like Georgia to be perfectly honest.

They should be qualifying from a group like that imo. Not struggling to make the play offs. Half of Europe (or as near as damn it) are qualifying for this tourney for pitys sake.
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Scotland were 4th seeds when the draw was made as they don't use the Fifa world rankings. If they finish 3rd then they'll likely only miss out on 2nd by virtue of Friday's result:- they'll have a better head to head record against both Ireland and Poland. Some of the performances haven't been great but I don't think it's all been as doom and gloom as you make out.
 
Spuddy said:
Scotland were 4th seeds when the draw was made as they don't use the Fifa world rankings. If they finish 3rd then they'll likely only miss out on 2nd by virtue of Friday's result:- they'll have a better head to head record against both Ireland and Poland. Some of the performances haven't been great but I don't think it's all been as doom and gloom as you make out.
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The point I'm making is (and this is obviously based on a failure to qualify, which is not decided yet) their is imo a general acceptance of failure when it comes to the national team. It's always 'oh we were unlucky', 'we're not far away', 'we're improving' etc, etc. It's laughable.

They were ranked above all these teams except Germany (I believe) when the draw was made......they should be beating the other teams in our group imo. If you disagree that's fine, I don't have a problem with that.
But, again, imo, excusing their failure (and I accept its still possible they could qualify) to qualify from this group is part of the problem.

If ye accept dross then you'll get served dross more often than not.
 
c1973 said:
The point I'm making is (and this is obviously based on a failure to qualify, which is not decided yet) their is imo a general acceptance of failure when it comes to the national team. It's always 'oh we were unlucky', 'we're not far away', 'we're improving' etc, etc. It's laughable.

They were ranked above all these teams except Germany (I believe) when the draw was made......they should be beating the other teams in our group imo. If you disagree that's fine, I don't have a problem with that.
But, again, imo, excusing their failure (and I accept its still possible they could qualify) to qualify from this group is part of the problem.

If ye accept dross then you'll get served dross more often than not.
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I think they are similar in level to Poland and Ireland and always thought it would be tight amongst those three. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't make any excuses if they don't get through and I think some of the team selections have shown a blindness to the ineptitude of some of the 'favourites' in the team. Unfortunately Scotland won't succeed until there is a clear out of the old boys club in the SFA and a complete change in coaching tactics from the grassroots up.
 
Three said:
I have no idea how we bet or give odds on a forum bet :), but I'll wager that the best Scotland get against Poland is a draw.
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But you said Scotland had no chance, so you should be giving quite good odds.

ATM, on line I can get 17/10 for a Scotland win, 23/10 on a draw. or Poland 15/8 to win.

So the bookies think we have a chance of beating Poland.. The Republic of Ireland have still to play Poland and Germany both away i think , so they could struggle to get another point . Unless their opponents field weakened teams if they've already qualified.
 
williamalex1 said:
But you said Scotland had no chance, so you should be giving quite good odds.

ATM, on line I can get 17/10 for a Scotland win, 23/10 on a draw. or Poland 15/8 to win.

So the bookies think we have a chance of beating Poland.. The Republic of Ireland have still to play Poland and Germany both away i think , so they could struggle to get another point . Unless their opponents field weakened teams if they've already qualified.
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Lol. What odds would you like?
 
c1973 said:
The point I'm making is (and this is obviously based on a failure to qualify, which is not decided yet) their is imo a general acceptance of failure when it comes to the national team. It's always 'oh we were unlucky', 'we're not far away', 'we're improving' etc, etc. It's laughable.

They were ranked above all these teams except Germany (I believe) when the draw was made......they should be beating the other teams in our group imo. If you disagree that's fine, I don't have a problem with that.
But, again, imo, excusing their failure (and I accept its still possible they could qualify) to qualify from this group is part of the problem.

If ye accept dross then you'll get served dross more often than not.
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Ah, the old Rangers fans (some of, not all) views on Scotland.....

I don't accept excuses, the fact is "dross" is pretty much what we are hence my low expectations. We weren't unlucky last night, Germany could have won by 5 or 6.

The rankings are nonsense, the seedlings for these draws are more indicative of standing IMO and we were seeded 4th.

Demanding better is fine if you've got a chequebook to improve it, Scotland's players are limited in ability (particularly in an attacking sense) so not sure what you would suggest?
 
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